Hate Voting: How to get rid of the problem...

Sandrosaurus wrote 6 years ago: 1

Breaking Bad: Ozymandias (5x14): is easily a 10

And the S3 finale of LOST too.

;)

JuanArango wrote 6 years ago: 1

wmulder wrote:
The highest I will vote for a show is 9, I don't believe any show warrants a 10.

Mr. Robot. Twin Peaks, South Park, Naruto Shippuden are easily all 10's for me :)

tnt wrote 6 years ago: 1

http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/3728/the-mist is easily 1 for me :) After watching 2 episodes I hated just about everything, from actors to plot :)

Tonks wrote 6 years ago: 1

pentar wrote:
I think IMDB has (or had) something like that, "waiting for 5 votes" message.
Also, If someone really feels the episodes are worth a 1, why do they continue watching?

I think they don't have that anymore.

I'm guessing you are having the same issue as rotten tomatoes where they're trying to destroy a movie or a show by giving bad reviews. It's usually towards female, POC, POW centric stuff. But yeah 5 votes would be a good threshold.

Gadfly wrote 6 years ago: 1

IMDB still has the "waiting for 5" votes thing.

NeoRocket wrote 6 years ago: 1

david wrote:
A possible "fix" could be to only show ratings when at least X people have voted. Thoughts?

Excellent idea. That should be immediately implemented. Over on a popular Gaming platform whom I won't name but is synonymous with water in the gaseous state, there is much dicussion about games rating. For many of the same reasons noted here. And a solution gaining much traction is one that is exactly this. Have a minimum "floor" so to speak before "rating" is even published. Or a minimum time or some combo of both.

Hey let's face it. Some of the BEST shows ever to grace television got slow starts. Even had bumpy early production and so forth as the crews got their "legs under them so to speak" and then things congealed. Other times it can be a big story arc that takes multiple episodes just to establish the plots and the players and so on. I saw that in "Altered Carbon", it had me from the first 10 minutes but it took at least 3 episodes just to introduce all the major players and to start setting each story and interrelationships so to speak. Even then there were constant reveals but it took at least the first two episodes to get the story going in some cognizant manner. To judge it from the perspective of any complete story on but the first episode would be foolish. This happens more also as many productions have been adopting serial platforms rather than episodic. And that is but one reason to hold voting results based on time or number of episodes in addition to a minimum number of actual raw votes also.

Aidan wrote 6 years ago: 1

Lets not forget this thread started out with episode voting, and waiting out for a certain number of votes isn't a good idea for that as they simply don't get enough votes.

As an example The Good Doctor was the most watched hour long drama on US network tv last fall, and their latest episode only have 4 votes.

kimbiel wrote 6 years ago: 1

david wrote:
A possible "fix" could be to only show ratings when at least X people have voted. Thoughts?

I think this would go a long way towards solving to issue.

tnt wrote 6 years ago: 1

david wrote:
A possible "fix" could be to only show ratings when at least X people have voted. Thoughts?

It looks like the system is already in place. How many votes are necessary?

Aidan wrote 6 years ago: 1

tnt wrote:
It looks like the system is already in place. How many votes are necessary?

I see votes on episodes with 3 votes, so I guess 2.

Aidan wrote 6 years ago: 1

Just for the record I still think this a horrible idea.

It won't stop hate voting in any way, and it will just remove the votes from the vast majority of episodes on the site.

Besides a small section on here, mainly scripted US network and premium cable, no episodes gets more than a couple of votes and more often than not just one.

david wrote 6 years ago: 1

tnt wrote:
It looks like the system is already in place. How many votes are necessary?

Hah, you guys always notice the changes before we even get the chance to announce them :)

The primary change is at https://www.tvmaze.com/shows, where you can now see each show's rating and vote for a show with a single click. Additionally you can sort the shows by rating.

Simultaneously we changed the system so a minimum of 3 votes are needed before a rating will show up. The amount of 3 is preliminary so we can evaluate the impact, we might change it and/or set a different amount for shows versus episodes.

Aidan wrote 6 years ago: 1

How about making a condition where it only applies where one of the votes are either 1 or 10. That'd stop the hate voting and not ruin it for everyone else.

At least on episodes, as people really aren't voting on those so you'll never get up to 3 votes on most episodes.

david wrote 6 years ago: 1

Aidan wrote:
Just for the record I still think this a horrible idea.
It won't stop hate voting in any way, and it will just remove the votes from the vast majority of episodes on the site.
Besides a small section on here, mainly scripted US network and premium cable, no episodes gets more than a couple of votes and more often than not just one.

The reason for the change isn't "hate voting" per se - when exactly is a vote a "hate vote" anyway? As discussed earlier here, every vote we checked out turned out to be legitimate with a user simply really hating or loving that specific show/episode.

People will always have very different opinions and that's fine. But because of that it isn't really valuable to display a rating when there's just one single vote because a single person's opinion is probably not very representative.

The real solution is to encourage people to vote more, which is exactly what we did with the change at https://www.tvmaze.com/shows :)

Aidan wrote 6 years ago: 1

david wrote:
The real solution is to encourage people to vote more, which is exactly what we did with the change at https://www.tvmaze.com/shows :)

For show votes yes I can agree. My beef is specifically with episode votes.

Here's just a few random samples of primetime network episodes with not enough votes.

...and the list goes on.

And these are popular US shows, thinking that everything else will ever get 3 or more votes is not very realistic.

david wrote 6 years ago: 1

Sure, but that doesn't change my argument that a rating based on a single person's vote doesn't carry much value. (No matter whether they voted 1, 10 or 7)

We're also looking at ways to encourage more episode votes, for example by adding voting to the episode list page.

Aidan wrote 6 years ago: 1

david wrote:
Sure, but that doesn't change my argument that a rating based on a single person's vote doesn't carry much value.
We're also looking at ways to encourage more episode votes, for example by adding voting to the episode list page.

The end result is the opposite for me. Just to take a random example, The Voice UK, I've been the single voter on that show for the last 2-3 seasons. And me knowing that no one will ever see those votes in a million years will just make me not bother to vote at all.

Jan wrote 6 years ago: 1

Aidan wrote:
The end result is the opposite for me. Just to take a random example, The Voice UK, I've been the single voter on that show for the last 2-3 seasons. And me knowing that no one will ever see those votes in a million years will just make me not bother to vote at all.

Let's try to improve the way of voting first before deciding not to bother at all. Never give up! :)

Aidan wrote 6 years ago: 1

Jan wrote:
Let's try to improve the way of voting first before deciding not to bother at all. Never give up! :)

Another thing that haven't been mentioned yet is that "not enough votes yet" makes it sound like we have no users,so a wast majority of the site will look like a wasteland as no one is gonna go back and give older shows more votes.