The Late Show's Showtime Election Night Special

@tvjjbj12 wrote:
 

To answer your question, I'd say the best option is to list it as a significant special (because it has the same premise as the rest of the show) with Showtime's airdate (after recent policy changes, the season consistency rule does not apply to specials anymore).

However, it seems that Colbert already hosted a similar special on Showtime in 2016 https://variety.com/2020/tv/columns/stephen-colbert-election-night-special-2016-2020-1234821833/, which makes those specials a serial, so they need to be separated into their own entry.

@gazza911 @JuanArango @Thomas what's your take on this?

@tnt wrote:
To answer your question, I'd say the best option is to list it as a significant special (because it has the same premise as the rest of the show) with Showtime's airdate (after recent policy changes, the season consistency rule does not apply to specials anymore).

However, it seems that Colbert already hosted a similar special on Showtime in 2016 https://variety.com/2020/tv/columns/stephen-colbert-election-night-special-2016-2020-1234821833/, which makes those specials a serial, so they need to be separated into their own entry.

@gazza911 @JuanArango @Thomas what's your take on this?

Either we list it as a significant special with the Showtime date or we make a new show out of it. 

Definitely not a new series as it's not an annual event.. Better stick to keeping them as a significant special.

Considering there's multiple in the same format and both premiered on Showtime rather than CBS, I'd say it should be a separate show. 

@Thomas wrote:
Definitely not a new series as it's not an annual event..

It's quadrennial, what difference does it make? Anyway, the policy does not demand a fixed schedule for a curated show. The only requirements are: at least two correlated episodes, aired on the same network, and have an overlap in plot/cast/crew. All requirements are met in this case.

I'm not insisting on creating a separate series, but it seems to fall under the policy requirements.

@tnt wrote:
It's quadrennial, what difference does it make? Anyway, the policy does not demand a fixed schedule for a curated show. The only requirements are: at least two correlated episodes, aired on the same network, and have an overlap in plot/cast/crew. All requirements are met in this case.

I'm not insisting on creating a separate series, but it seems to fall under the policy requirements.

Well according to our policy, only yearly television events are allowed and it's not described in our grey area as that solely mentions ''movies''., so the show should not be allowed as new series in my perspective. 

https://www.tvmaze.com/faq/13/shows

Now I just spoke with Gazza and Juan about it, but I'm not in favour of adding them as significant specials right now as they told me that they did not air on the same network as the show does.

Ok, let us vote if we add it as significant specials or as a show of its own!

@JuanArango wrote:
Ok, let us vote if we add it as significant specials or as a show of its own!

How about not adding it at all? 

@Thomas wrote:
How about not adding it at all? 

that would be against our policy :)

@Thomas wrote:
Well according to our policy, only yearly television events are allowed and it's not described in our grey area as that solely mentions ''movies''., so the show should not be allowed as new series in my perspective. 

https://www.tvmaze.com/faq/13/shows

Where do you put something, which is not covered by the policy at all? Biannual and quadrennial shows are not mentioned as allowed, nor as not allowed, and do not fall under a grey area description. So what, we just pretend this kind of show does not exist? I think they were simply forgotten when the policy was written.

Now I just spoke with Gazza and Juan about it, but I'm not in favour of adding them as significant specials right now as they told me that they did not air on the same network as the show does.

But the season consistency rule does not apply to any specials, so this fact is irrelevant, no?

I'm just trying to make sense of it for future reference.

@tnt wrote:
Where do you put something, which is not covered by the policy at all? Biannual and quadrennial shows are not mentioned as allowed, nor as not allowed, and do not fall under a grey area description. So what, we just pretend this kind of show does not exist? I think they were simply forgotten when the policy was written.

But the season consistency rule does not apply to any specials, so this fact is irrelevant, no?

I'm just trying to make sense of it for future reference.

ok, I vote for adding it as significant specials

@tnt wrote:
Where do you put something, which is not covered by the policy at all? Biannual and quadrennial shows are not mentioned as allowed, nor as not allowed, and do not fall under a grey area description. So what, we just pretend this kind of show does not exist? I think they were simply forgotten when the policy was written.

But the season consistency rule does not apply to any specials, so this fact is irrelevant, no?

I'm just trying to make sense of it for future reference.

Apparently I have never known about that new rule, of which I just got informed of by Juan and Gazza, so I suggest to stick to specials for it and not create it as a show. I don't think it's justifiable to create a new shows based on these facts for it being quadrennial.... What if a show happens once every ten year.... will we still add it? I think we should draw a line by an annual event.

My vote is for a new show;

- It's scheduled on a returning event (which will always continue every 4 years).
- Both specials are on the same Network which is not the same as the main show
- There's more than one special of the same format

@Thomas wrote:
Apparently I have never known about that new rule, of which I just got informed of by Juan and Gazza, so I suggest to stick to specials for it and not create it as a show. 

Yes, but those specials are bearing all marks of a serial format, and the policy demands creating a separate entry in such cases.

What if a show happens once every ten year.... will we still add it?

We have scripted shows where the gap between seasons is more than 10 years, but we still consider it the same show. Does it really matter, how many years are passed between the episodes/seasons, as long as they follow the same format and have overlap in cast/crew?

@gazza911 wrote:
My vote is for a new show;

+1

seems in line with the policy

@JuanArango wrote:
ok, I vote for adding it as significant specials

+1

The CBS version was a network presentation, same runtime but Showtime version is rated TV-MA so I'd guess CBS is edited for language at the very least.

Putting it as a new show might mean people don't know it exists and would lead to it getting re-added on the show page.

@kevin87 wrote:
 

Putting it as a new show might mean people don't know it exists and would lead to it getting re-added on the show page.

This could be solved by adding a show relation.