Star Wars Rebels - The Siege of Lothal

Ah! It was brought up before, but you're the first with some actual insights, thanks! See http://www.tvmaze.com/threads/550/star-wars-rebels for a previous reference.

I'm not familiar with the show myself, so I'll wait to see if anyone else in the crew can weigh in. Otherwise, I'll check it out tomorrow.

http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels indeed appears to consider it a two parter, and part of season 2.

The Siege of Lothal S2.E01-E02

The Lost Commanders S2.E03

If anyone wants to submit any evidence that suggests otherwise, now would be the time :)

Ha, now I understand why this show is always so problematic. The official sources themselves are extremely inconsistent.

Can anyone who watches this tell me how the "Siege of Lothal" episode actually aired? Is there a break between the first and the second part? Are there separate credits for the first and the second parts? Do the credits give any hint about the episode numbering?

How about the episode's plot. Is it an introduction to the arcs of season 2, or is the plot completely separate from the episodes after it?

No there was no break, it was aired as a 60 minute episode, but it is considered on the official SW site as two episodes. Strange right? Wikipedia changed there site also, so now they are right.

There are no separate credits for the both parts because it aired as a whole. The right numbering is shown only at the official disney/sw site and also on the bts complimentary youtube video's.

It acts like introduction to the arcs of S2.

;)

So if we follow the listing on the official site, "The Siege of Lothal" would be considered a two parter, 2x01 and 2x02.

But, according to Sandrosaurus' input, if we follow what's shown on screen it should be considered a single episode with a custom runtime. If something is truly a two-part episode, the two parts should have separate credits, separate names, and a noticeable break between the two parts.

As our policy states, in case of conflicts between official sources, what's shown on screen should take precedence over what's listed on the official site. To that end, I propose changing The Siege of Lothal to a single episode, 2x01.

Thoughts?

No, two episode...check the SW site. it's easy. That rule from this site is kinda strange is it?

It should be:

- SoL (1)

- SoL (2)

Each 30 minutes. Check Wikipedia, even that site has it right... :p

Heh, when I checked it the other day it was listed as a single episode. Appears like they're having quite a conflict about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of...

Unfortunately it's not very easy, since there are multiple official sources to consider. The official site is one, but other official sources say something different.

SW should be considered as the true official site. Because SW.

1) Make them two 30m episodes like now, but at (1) next to the first part.

2) Or make it episode 1+2 or 1/2 if you can do that and make it 60m.

If you make 'SoL' episode 1 than episode 'The lost commanders' becomes 2...and it's basically episode 3.

So don't do that :D.

I think the first idea is the best, it's also nicer/better looking that way.

Thanks for the replies :) !

Well yes, starwars.com is definitely the official site :)

But there are other official sources, such as press releases. If you check http://thefutoncritic.com/showatch/star-wars-rebel... for example, you'll see that there everything there indicates that SoL is considered a single episode, not two separate parts.

If there was no break in the episode and there are no separate credits for the separate parts, that's another thing indicating that it's considered a single episode instead of two parts.

So now we're stuck with having to choose which of the official sources to follow.

What a world we live in...

What does the futoncritic say about 'the lost commanders'? If it says episode 3 than I would split SoL in 1 and 2.
If it says 2 than I am lost :p. For me SW site > futoncritic. Disney decides in my book.

"Episode" really has different meanings in network parlance, at least in the U.S.. A show budgets production on a per-episode basis, but they considered a half-hour of a half-hour series one "episode." So "Siege" was budgeted as two episodes, and may even have had two production codes. But it was apparently aired as one episode.

Whether budget take precedence over airing is one of those things staff would have to decide. But that's why you sometimes see a discrepancy in official sources.

it's the same reason you will sometimes see a network refer to a special as an "episode." A 60-minute special was budgeted just like a 60-minute episode, it may have even been filmed months earlier with the episodes. But when the network tosses it on the air months after the season is over, they call it a "special," not an episode.

A policy clarification about this is forthcoming, after internal deliberation is complete.

david wrote:
http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels indeed appears to consider it a two parter, and part of season 2.
The Siege of Lothal S2.E01-E02
The Lost Commanders S2.E03
If anyone wants to submit any evidence that suggests otherwise, now would be the time :)

Look here on IMDB http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2930604/episodes?seaso...

SoL was a double episode and counts as 201, the rest follow on from that. So TVMaze is out by one.

'205-Brothers of the Broken Horn' aired on 4th November 2015.

I'm inclined to run with with IMDB as they are the masters of Video on the internet.

Ummm, IMDB kinda sucks when it comes to new episodes.

At least 75% of their contributors are just like us. And most of that last 25% work in the movie business, because IMDB is still primarily a movie site.I go over there to double-check things on older shows from time to time, and even then I find mistakes.

I don't expect them to be perfect. But if they're going to be cited as a reliable source, they should be... reliable, right?

Gadfly wrote:
Ummm, IMDB kinda sucks when it comes to new episodes.
At least 75% of their contributors are just like us. And most of that last 25% work in the movie business, because IMDB is still primarily a movie site.I go over there to double-check things on older shows from time to time, and even then I find mistakes.
I don't expect them to be perfect. But if they're going to be cited as a reliable source, they should be... reliable, right?

They are reliable. The most reliable place I've found for TV (yes that surprised me). They show all past episodes as well as a couple of weeks in advance. The synopsis' are added after the episode airs or very close to air date. IMDB is the best place for accurate, non fanboi generated information. It has even been said on this site that the Disney site is in conflict as well as Wikipedia (which can never be taken seriously as anyone can write garbage to it).

201-The Siege of Lothal [double length episode not a special or movie].Aired at the end of season 1. Nobody knows why.

202-The Lost Commanders

203-Relics of the Old Republic

204-Always Two There Are

205-Brothers of the Broken Horn

206-Wings of the Master

whatever, whoever is right TVMaze is wrong.

Dexter wrote:

They are reliable. The most reliable place I've found for TV (yes that surprised me). They show all past episodes as well as a couple of weeks in advance. The synopsis' are added after the episode airs or very close to air date. IMDB is the best place for accurate, non fanboi generated information. It has even been said on this site that the Disney site is in conflict as well as Wikipedia (which can never be taken seriously as anyone can write garbage to it).
201-The Siege of Lothal [double length episode not a special or movie].Aired at the end of season 1. Nobody knows why.

202-The Lost Commanders
203-Relics of the Old Republic
204-Always Two There Are
205-Brothers of the Broken Horn
206-Wings of the Master


whatever, whoever is right TVMaze is wrong.

Just to clarify, Original sites (Disney, etc) cannot be trusted and do make mistakes. Example 'X Factor Australia', There have been 7 seasons, but go to their official site and they are calling this (present) season 6. Networks will happily air things out of order and wrongly named just for laughs. Even buying a DVD doesn't guarantee accuracy as episode orders can vary from region to region. It is up to sites like this to be vigilant and display the truth.

IMDB can be an interesting reference, but it's never considered an official source here.

I wrote a policy proposal to deal with all cases like this. Please check out http://www.tvmaze.com/threads/664/policy-proposal-... and leave your feedback :)

The conflict is resolved according to our new policy (http://www.tvmaze.com/faq/15/episodes). Thanks for your feedback!

For what it matters, I just watched and it came in as S02E05 Wings of the Master. TV Guide has it correct...http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/star-wars-rebels/ep... also http://www.tv.com/shows/star-wars-rebels/episodes/ The Episode that aired in June, The Seige of Lothal because it played outside of weekly episodes (almost 4 months) it was classified as a special S02E00. Some places list 2 episode 1's