Stacey Abrams on Fighting Project 2025's Attack on Science and Public Health

Stacey speaks to Dr. Céline Gounder, an infectious disease specialist, epidemiologist and editor at large for public health at KFF Health News, about the threats to public health with the incoming Trump Administration. They talk through Trump's appointees for the nation's top health and science agencies like RFK Jr, how to bring scientific thinking back to policy making, and how to differentiate between public health and individual healthcare. Then Stacey explains how to make change by "power-mapping" an issue, finding out who is responsible for the problem, who has jurisdiction over it, and who is already thinking and talking about solutions.