Sports airing in more than 1 Country?

I'm guessing that if the pending feature "Support for premiere airdates in different countries" ever gets added, the sports rule will be obsolete as both airdates could be added.

The reason for it as David states:

First of all, it has never been my intention to allow these - let's call them - "Sports Events". None of these fit my definition of "airing regularly", but that obviously wasn't clear enough, hence this thread.

I also think it isn't and shouldn't be our goal to list everything that airs on TV, I'd rather stick with listing everything that we're good at. But of course that's something that can be expanded over time! We already explicitly disallow one-time specials, made for TV movies, reruns. Is it really too far fetched to explicitly disallow irregular worldwide sports events as well?

Is the current quality of these entries really so good that dropping them would drive any users away? For example, the http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/16349/uefa-champions-league entry is a complete chaos in my opinion. It's something that airs - almost - worldwide, but we have it added as Dutch show. Why Dutch, instead of any other country? This means Dutch people will see it on their schedule, but users from any other country won't. We could move it to a different country, but that'd just move the problem around instead of fixing it. The episode titles are also Dutch, but how the hell is an English speaker going to understand what "kwartfinale" or "nabeschouwing" means?

And that's beside a lot of other complicated questions. If two countries air the same event with different commentary - should we add it twice? What if they air it in a different sequence, cut, or with different behind-the-scenes footage? Of course we could just create separate entries for all the other countries this thing airs in, but then we'd end up with 50 different listings with exactly the same kind of information. That won't be fun to maintain.

Basically, it's currently just not possible to add these events to TVmaze in a way that's consistent and actually useful for the majority of the users. So I think it's better to hold off on them entirely until we can.

Thomas wrote:
The reason for it as David states:
First of all, it has never been my intention to allow these - let's call them - "Sports Events". None of these fit my definition of "airing regularly", but that obviously wasn't clear enough, hence this thread.

I also think it isn't and shouldn't be our goal to list everything that airs on TV, I'd rather stick with listing everything that we're good at. But of course that's something that can be expanded over time! We already explicitly disallow one-time specials, made for TV movies, reruns. Is it really too far fetched to explicitly disallow irregular worldwide sports events as well?
Is the current quality of these entries really so good that dropping them would drive any users away? For example, the http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/16349/uefa-champions-league entry is a complete chaos in my opinion. It's something that airs - almost - worldwide, but we have it added as Dutch show. Why Dutch, instead of any other country? This means Dutch people will see it on their schedule, but users from any other country won't. We could move it to a different country, but that'd just move the problem around instead of fixing it. The episode titles are also Dutch, but how the hell is an English speaker going to understand what "kwartfinale" or "nabeschouwing" means?
And that's beside a lot of other complicated questions. If two countries air the same event with different commentary - should we add it twice? What if they air it in a different sequence, cut, or with different behind-the-scenes footage? Of course we could just create separate entries for all the other countries this thing airs in, but then we'd end up with 50 different listings with exactly the same kind of information. That won't be fun to maintain.
Basically, it's currently just not possible to add these events to TVmaze in a way that's consistent and actually useful for the majority of the users. So I think it's better to hold off on them entirely until we can.

However, all the other TV sites on the Internet list them but not this one? If other TV sites can do it there is no reason this site can't do it either at least for the U.S. for now until other Countries can be figured out. Zap2it.com does it, futoncritic.com does it, imdb.com does it, tvrage.com does it, tvguide does it, tv.com does it just to name a few!

gazza911 wrote:
I'm guessing that if the pending feature "Support for premiere airdates in different countries" ever gets added, the sports rule will be obsolete as both airdates could be added.

Thanks Gazza but this statement has nothing to do with my main point - "For example, track the first time an episode airs in the US, when that episode has already aired in the UK earlier."

Because, I am talking mostly about live events the day they air for the very first time so it's no where near the same.

Besides in the statement it states it previously aired in the UK 1st so my answer to that is no after it has already aired once somewhere in the world any other airings would then be repeats that is strictly verboten!

JAGUARDOG wrote:
Besides in the statement it states it previously aired in the UK 1st so my answer to that is no after it has already aired once somewhere in the world any other airings would then be repeats that is strictly verboten!

To be honest I didn't read your full post; I thought you meant syndicated events where they air simultaneously in multiple countries (i.e a match with two countries, each country airing the live game).

If the multiple premiere date for country feature was added, we could just set it as the same date for both countries.

gazza911 wrote:
To be honest I didn't read your full post; I thought you meant syndicated events where they air simultaneously in multiple countries (i.e a match with two countries, each country airing the live game).
If the multiple premiere date for country feature was added, we could just set it as the same date for both countries.

I'm not sure what you mean by syndicated events unless you mean those that air on Syndicated Networks?

However I am talking about "events where they air simultaneously in multiple countries"? For example Swimming at the Olympics with Michael Phelps airing live in the U.S. and also in 1 or more countries, not replays and not tape delays of an event that already aired somewhere.

JAGUARDOG wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by syndicated events unless you mean those that air on Syndicated Networks?
However I am talking about "events where they air simultaneously in multiple countries"? For example Swimming at the Olympics with Michael Phelps airing live in the U.S. and also in 1 or more countries, not replays and not tape delays of an event that already aired somewhere.

yes and so far david and jan do not want to have those as there is no "real" premiere date for those,a s they air at the same time in maybe 15 countries.

JuanArango wrote:
yes and so far david and jan do not want to have those as there is no "real" premiere date for those,a s they air at the same time in maybe 15 countries.

What's your point Juan? So they air at the same time in 1 Country, 2 Countries or 100 Countries that should not matter just to have them added in only 1 like all those other TV sites I mentioned above do?

JAGUARDOG wrote:
What's your point Juan? So they air at the same time in 1 Country, 2 Countries or 100 Countries that should not matter just to have them added in only 1 like all those other TV sites I mentioned above do?

But how do you decide which country has to be put as the premiere country ?

JuanArango wrote:
But how do you decide which country has to be put as the premiere country ?

Now that is an Excellent point so let me see the choices I can come up with?

1. Flip a coin several times

2. Rock, Paper, Scissors

3. First person who adds the sport chooses (1st come, 1st serve)

4. Vote (Majority of members votes wins)

5. Just pick the U.S. for now (as all of the other TV sites listed above have done) and when it is figured out how to add more countries at a later date do so then?

6. Add a new category that allows multiple Country Networks to be added to any show when proof is provided?

JAGUARDOG wrote:
Now that is an Excellent point so let me see the choices I can come up with?
1. Flip a coin several times
2. Rock, Paper, Scissors
3. First person who adds the sport chooses (1st come, 1st serve)
4. Vote (Majority of members votes wins)
5. Just pick the U.S. for now (as all of the other TV sites listed above have done) and when it is figured out how to add more countries at a later date do so then?
6. Add a new category that allows multiple Country Networks to be added to any show when proof is provided?

I think point 6.is the correct way to go, but this needs to be implemented, david and jan are right now working heavily on developing stuff for the site.