Reborn Rich

As far as I understood the intro doesn't mean they are main given that a lot of US shows do list guests in their intro too.

The website specifically list 4 actors as ''main'', while the others are downgraded in subcategories. https://tv.jtbc.co.kr/cast/PR10011524/2

Also per policy the credit of Song Joon Ki should be divided as he plays two roles.

@WatchingTV wrote:
As far as I understood the intro doesn't mean they are main given that a lot of US shows do list guests in their intro too.

The website specifically list 4 actors as ''main'', while the others are downgraded in subcategories. https://tv.jtbc.co.kr/cast/PR10011524/2

Also per policy the credit of Song Joon Ki should be divided as he plays two roles.

US shows never list guest ast in their intros, there is always a GUEST STARRING then the guest cast follows, it is after the intro.

As I said we understand your point but our policy says on screen trumps website listings.

I divided his two roles :)

If that's decided, so be it. I just do not understand the point of opening a discussion if the decision is already made beforehand.

It will only be a clusterfuck of more information that's prone to error and almost unverifiable. 

Have you been checking whether the names are matching the ones you added in that case?

@WatchingTV wrote:
If that's decided, so be it. I just do not understand the point of opening a discussion if the decision is already made beforehand.

It will only be a clusterfuck of more information that's prone to error and almost unverifiable. 

Have you been checking whether the names are matching the ones you added in that case?

Well it seems there is more to discuss, the splitting of the character, I think I used the correct names yes.

Another remark from my side, we did not just make a decision here, we followed our policy, on-screen is always topping everything else and I had not seen the opening credits before and those actors are clearly all in the opening credits.

Like I said there is no point in opening a forum post for something that's already been decided. A message would have been enough.

It's already apparent on previous occasions that the owners of TVmaze aren't up for debate regarding the policy. ;)

@WatchingTV wrote:
Like I said there is no point in opening a forum post for something that's already been decided. A message would have been enough.

It's already apparent on previous occasions that the owners of TVmaze aren't up for debate regarding the policy. ;)

of course we are up for debate, that is what such a thread here can be used for.

@WatchingTV @JuanArango Okay, I just want to add my opinion about thinking splitting the main character into two was wrong thing to do.

Yoon Hyun Woo is the main character. But he dies in episode one and his soul or just in some way he finds himself transported back in past in the body of Jin Do Joon. We never see real Jin Do Joon without Yoon Hyun Woo being that character. And Hyun Woo is aware of himself and who he is all the time while being in control of Jin Do Joon character, so these two are not separate characters. To outward appearance to others, yes, but to us and to the main character, both of them are him, the same him.

Now, I haven't seen the last 3 episodes yet so I don't know if this will be defined as different, but here's what happens...

1) Timeline 1 - when the TV show starts

Jin Do Joon does not exist, he died in an accident. Yoon Hyun Woo exists, but is killed.

2) Timeline 2 - after Yoon Hyun Woo is killed, from episode 2 onward

Time is returned back to 1987 or so and Jin Do Joon is a young boy, but he is not someone else, Yoon Hyun Woo is him, and he has memories that he is Hyun Woo, but finds himself in Jin Do Joon's body. Soon he grows up and same actor takes over since apparently both Hyun Woo and Do Joon look very alike.

So, for the most show Jin Do Joon is THE main character, but from what we are seeing is that it isn't some other character, but Yoon Hyun Woo is inside him and he remembers everything from his life as Yoon Hyun Woo which is how he knows the future and can invest smart in stocks and buy companies because even though he is in the past, to him it already happened.

So, the conclusion, they are not the different characters. Different bodies, sure, same main character.

There is a short scene where Hyun Woo while in Jin Do Joon's body sees a younger self, meaning a young Yoon Hun Woo.

But this is not like new timeline, more like time went back and then he is affecting events that change what actually happened, though he cannot change big events.

If we'd treat this new timeline as new set of all characters, then pretty much all characters would be doubled.

Unless official Korean drama site has this character split in two, we shouldn't do that because it's the same Hyun Woo, both to him and to us as viewers. That's just my opinion.

This is nothing like in Orphan Black when same actress plays multiple different characters and they need to be split:
- https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/61/orphan-black

Just one more thing I realised as the proof that Hyun Woo even after he dies and goes to Do Joon's body is still Hyun Woo. The entire show while he is in Do Joon's body, he still signs all his signatures as H.W. just as he did when he was Hyun Woo ;))

Okay, finished watching it all, so just to clarify... Do Joon and Hyun Woo are existing in the same timeline. Do Joon died 20 years ago to when the show starts with Hyun Woo. When Hyun Woo gets shot, he is "transported in the past" and wee see Do Joon's life until he died. Then show switches back to Hyun Woo who seems to have survived the gunshot.

So, everything that happened to Do Joon did happen in Hyun Woo's past. However, Hyun Woo was in the body of Do Joon and the way he signed as H.W. and how he knew the future events that were past to Hyun Woo, it was basically the same character.

During Do Joon's life, when Hyun Woo would have very brief appearance, it was as if he is another character. The character that Hyun Woo in Do Joon's body remembers, but he was in Do Joon's body now. Some things did change as he affected the past, but still, it would be too confusing to split the characters because basically he was both of them, at least in the way we see Do Joon in this show, he was never not Hyun Woo.

Keeping them a single character like initially added would be most correct and least troublesome to keep track to as to which of them was on screen or how to handle when they're both but to one of them that was past or if that would require second Hyun Woo and so on. Well, I'm done watching this show so don't plan on touching any of the cast anymore, so you guys feel free to do what you wish with it ;))

For main character who plays Hyun Woo in Hyun Woo's body, he is in episode 1 and 16. Episodes 2-15 show Hyun Woo in Do Joon's body with occasional Hyun Woo that seldomly appears and is just a past of actual Hyun Woo.

Cheers!

Hi @MAT13 

This is the policy of TVmaze regarding characters.

Since a Guest Cast entry is tied to a single character, separate Guest Cast entries should be created if one person has multiple credits in an episode. This can happen for example in animated shows, if one actor voices multiple characters.

For what I assume they are two different people, therefore he should be given two different credits. The website of jTBC also gives him a separate credit for the roles he performs.

Role Yoon Hyun Woo - https://tv.jtbc.co.kr/cast/PR10011524/1

Role Jin Do Joon - https://tv.jtbc.co.kr/cast/PR10011524/2

Your explanation indeed says that Jin Do Joon is a different character and therefore we should follow the guideline as given above. It would be weird if we decide to follow policy no. 1 and disregard it for the 2nd one.

@WatchingTV wrote:
Hi @MAT13 

This is the policy of TVmaze regarding characters.

For what I assume they are two different people, therefore he should be given two different credits. The website of jTBC also gives him a separate credit for the roles he performs.

Role Yoon Hyun Woo - https://tv.jtbc.co.kr/cast/PR10011524/1

Role Jin Do Joon - https://tv.jtbc.co.kr/cast/PR10011524/2

Your explanation indeed says that Jin Do Joon is a different character and therefore we should follow the guideline as given above. It would be weird if we decide to follow policy no. 1 and disregard it for the 2nd one.

Okay, if official site treats them as separate, then we should too, yes. Good. I will go and adjust their appearances now that I know we should treat them like this. Thanks for the info.

@MAT13 wrote:
Okay, if official site treats them as separate, then we should too, yes. Good. I will go and adjust their appearances now that I know we should treat them like this. Thanks for the info.

yay,  we came to an agreement :)