Some explanation with the Crew Types

MichaelDeBoey wrote:
Maybe it would be helpfull if there's a page with some explanation with the Crew Types?
Like what's the difference between Music and Composer or between Set Decorator and Art Director for instance?
For non-English shows (Dutch in my case) it can be hard to know which to choose, because the crew type is showed in the native language of the show.

I agree, I also do not know the difference sometimes :)

Sure, we can set up a page. np.

Jan wrote:
Sure, we can set up a page. np.

I think it would make it a lot more clear for most people.

And it can come in handy if we have a problem with some Crew Types, so we can just refer to the list :-)

Hey everyone! I just joined the site today! But I've been a contributor to most of the other TV archive sites for many years, including TvTome from just after John created it.

I also just retired after an almost 30 year career in Film and Television production. Crew credits can indeed be very confusing so if I can be of any assistance, please let me know. I'd be glad to help.

For example, I worked a lot of different positions over three decades in the biz but most of the work I did was in sound. I'd get credited as the following: Sound Mixer, Audio Mixer, Field Sound Mixer, Production Sound Mixer, Sound Recordist, Audio Engineer, and on and on. The problem was, it's all the same job...lol! I'd do exactly the same thing for all but it was up to the show or film what they called it. So my best piece of advice starting out is if at all possible, use whatever the credits say, or what is listed at an official site. I know that at IMDB, which I have contributed to for many years, and tried to make corrections to, they have hundreds of audio/sound credits listed to chose from. On my personal listing at IMDB, it shows numerous different credits but it was all doing the same basic thing.

Anyway, if I can help define TV show credits, please let me know.

And again, glad to be a part....Rob

One weird thing I noticed is that I'll see a couple of pages in a show's opening credits for Producer. There will be about four names, but it's immediately followed by a single name under Produced By. This has long led me to believe there was a distinction, but I have no idea what. Of course, it could have just been a technical thing. I remember at TVRage, I always hated creating new credits (because if anyone did a lot editing, then they surely knew it was looking awfully messy), but if I honestly didn't know what difference there was between an available credit and the one I read onscreen other than a slightly different phrasing I had to add it. Of course, I also noticed there was unnecessary dupes like First Assistant Director and 1st Assistant Director. I'm hoping not to see that become a thing. Then again, there's no way to add new crew types, so maybe that's moot. But, yeah, if there's an index, it might help if one gets kind of stuck on a credit.

Morning_Star wrote:
One weird thing I noticed is that I'll see a couple of pages in a show's opening credits for Producer. There will be about four names, but it's immediately followed by a single name under Produced By. This has long led me to believe there was a distinction, but I have no idea what. Of course, it could have just been a technical thing. I remember at TVRage, I always hated creating new credits (because if anyone did a lot editing, then they surely knew it was looking awfully messy), but if I honestly didn't know what difference there was between an available credit and the one I read onscreen other than a slightly different phrasing I had to add it. Of course, I also noticed there was unnecessary dupes like First Assistant Director and 1st Assistant Director. I'm hoping not to see that become a thing. Then again, there's no way to add new crew types, so maybe that's moot. But, yeah, if there's an index, it might help if one gets kind of stuck on a credit.

We are aware of these useless credits as 1st/2nd and from my experience they'll not be added here, but producer and produced by is literally the same in my opinion.

Thomas wrote:
We are aware of these useless credits as 1st/2nd and from my experience they'll not be added here, but producer and produced by is literally the same in my opinion.

I agree. At TV.com and TvRage, when I hit a "Produced by..." credit I always just tagged the person as Producer.

I did the same thing with "Executive in charge of production..." and "Executive Producer", even though back in the old film days, that could indicate two different people, one who worked for and was paid by the studio, and one who worked directly on the film.

People have complained about the crew list before, I'm aware that it's currently not complete and that there's some possibly redundant entries. Going over this list and incorporating all the suggestions would be a lot of work though, and I currently don't have the time for that.

If the community would get together and deliver a complete and final list of improvements (items to be added; items to be deleted; items to be merged; descriptions for the various types) I would definitely take them though.

Welcome btw, sounddude!

I'm up for running off a list of yays and nays. I'm assuming you want a new thread for it, instead of hijacking this one.

Morning_Star wrote:
I'm up for running off a list of yays and nays. I'm assuming you want a new thread for it, instead of hijacking this one.

This would be perfect and many thx in advance :)

cheers
Juan

I'm in for discussing this one! :-)

david wrote:
People have complained about the crew list before, I'm aware that it's currently not complete and that there's some possibly redundant entries. Going over this list and incorporating all the suggestions would be a lot of work though, and I currently don't have the time for that.
If the community would get together and deliver a complete and final list of improvements (items to be added; items to be deleted; items to be merged; descriptions for the various types) I would definitely take them though.
Welcome btw, sounddude!

Thanks, David.

Morning_Star wrote:
I'm up for running off a list of yays and nays. I'm assuming you want a new thread for it, instead of hijacking this one.

Yes, that would be great!

What I would need as input would be a conclusive list of:

- Crew Type entries to add

- Crew Type entries to merge (add which one to keep; which one to remove)

- Crew Type entries to remove (any crew credits with this type would be removed as well)

There are two existing threads about this topic, check them out before you start. :)

This was the list i gave as soon as tvrage went down, i'm sure most of it are in, but just in case you need already a list that is not extensive but has main post.... VFX = Visual effects so i deleted all VFX and replaced them if need be.

A Camera Operator
Additonal music
Animation director
Art department assistant
Art department coordinator
Art director
Assistant Accountant
assistant Costume designer
Assistant decorator
Assistant editor
assistant location manager
Assistant production manager
Assistant to the executive producer (with name)
Assistant to the producers
Associate Costume Designer
Associate director
Associate producer
Audio
B Camera Operator
Boom operator
Camera Assistant
Camera operator
camera trainee
Carpenter
Casting
Casting associate
Chief Lightning technician
Choreographer
Collection director
Colorist
Construction coordinator
Constructor
Consultant
Consulting producer
Continuity

script
Coordinating producer
Co-Producer
Costume designer
Costume Supervisor
Costumer
Craft person
Creative consultant
Creative director
Creative producer
Creator
Decorator
Developped by
Dialog editor
Digital effects supervisor
Digital Image Technician (DIT)
Director of operations
Director of photography
Director of photography second unit
Editor
Electrician
Executive consultant
Executive co-producer
Executive Music Producer
Executive producer
Executive producer for (name of the company/network)
Executive story editor

Senior exectuive story editor
Featured songs produced by
First assistant camera
First assistant director
Focus puller
Foley artist
Gaffer
Generator operator
graphic artist
Graphics and titles
Grip
Hairstylist
Head Make-up artist
Head painter
Head writer
In-between animator
Key Animation
Key armourer
Key Grip
Key Hair Stylist
leadman

Lead CG artist
Lead digital effects composing artist
Legal consultant
Legal counsel
Line Producer
Location Manager
Logger / Transcriber

Main title design
Make up effects
Make-up artist
Medical consultant
Music

Music consultant
Music coordinator
Music editor
Music producer
Music supervisor
On-Set visual effects supervisor
Online editor
Opérations manager
Painter
Playback supervisor
Police Consultant
Post producer
Post Production consultant
Post production coordinator
Post production sound
Post production supervisor
Producer
Production accountant
Production administrator
Production assistant
Production associate
Production consultant
Production coordinator
Production designer
Production secretary
Production sound mixer
Production Staff
Production supervisor
Property / Props
Property/props master
Re-recording mixer
Ripper
Script coordinator
Script supervisor
Scientific Consultant
Second assistant camera
Second assistant director
Secretary
Set decorator
Set designer
Set dresser
Songs - Music
Songs - Lyrics
Sound editor
Sound supervisor
Special effects
Special effects coordinator
Special effects supervisor
Special effects technician
Staff writer
Steadycamer
Still photographer
Story
Story consultant
Story editor
Story producer
Storyboard artist
Stunt coordinator
Stunts
Supervising producer
Supervising sound editor
Technical Consultant
Third assistant camera
Third assistant director
Title artist
Theme by
Transcriber / Logger
Transmedia Producer
Transportation coordinator
Unit Production manager
Visual effects Executive producer
Visual effects
Visual effects coordinator
Visual effects producer
Visual effects supervisor
Voice director

Tonks wrote:
This was the list i gave as soon as tvrage went down, i'm sure most of it are in, but just in case you need already a list that is not extensive but has main post.... VFX = Visual effects so i deleted all VFX and replaced them if need be.
A Camera Operator
Additonal music
Animation director
Art department assistant
Art department coordinator
Art director
Assistant Accountant
assistant Costume designer
Assistant decorator
Assistant editor
assistant location manager
Assistant production manager
Assistant to the executive producer (with name)
Assistant to the producers
Associate Costume Designer
Associate director
Associate producer
Audio
B Camera Operator
Boom operator
Camera Assistant
Camera operator
camera trainee
Carpenter
Casting
Casting associate
Chief Lightning technician
Choreographer
Collection director
Colorist
Construction coordinator
Constructor
Consultant
Consulting producer
Continuity
script
Coordinating producer
Co-Producer
Costume designer
Costume Supervisor
Costumer
Craft person
Creative consultant
Creative director
Creative producer
Creator
Decorator
Developped by
Dialog editor
Digital effects supervisor
Digital Image Technician (DIT)
Director of operations
Director of photography
Director of photography second unit
Editor
Electrician
Executive consultant
Executive co-producer
Executive Music Producer
Executive producer
Executive producer for (name of the company/network)
Executive story editor
Senior exectuive story editor
Featured songs produced by
First assistant camera
First assistant director
Focus puller
Foley artist
Gaffer
Generator operator
graphic artist
Graphics and titles
Grip
Hairstylist
Head Make-up artist
Head painter
Head writer
In-between animator
Key Animation
Key armourer
Key Grip
Key Hair Stylist
leadman
Lead CG artist
Lead digital effects composing artist
Legal consultant
Legal counsel
Line Producer
Location Manager
Logger / Transcriber
Main title design
Make up effects
Make-up artist
Medical consultant
Music
Music consultant
Music coordinator
Music editor
Music producer
Music supervisor
On-Set visual effects supervisor
Online editor
Opérations manager
Painter
Playback supervisor
Police Consultant
Post producer
Post Production consultant
Post production coordinator
Post production sound
Post production supervisor
Producer
Production accountant
Production administrator
Production assistant
Production associate
Production consultant
Production coordinator
Production designer
Production secretary
Production sound mixer
Production Staff
Production supervisor
Property / Props
Property/props master
Re-recording mixer
Ripper
Script coordinator
Script supervisor
Scientific Consultant
Second assistant camera
Second assistant director
Secretary
Set decorator
Set designer
Set dresser
Songs - Music
Songs - Lyrics
Sound editor
Sound supervisor
Special effects
Special effects coordinator
Special effects supervisor
Special effects technician
Staff writer
Steadycamer
Still photographer
Story
Story consultant
Story editor
Story producer
Storyboard artist
Stunt coordinator
Stunts
Supervising producer
Supervising sound editor
Technical Consultant
Third assistant camera
Third assistant director
Title artist
Theme by
Transcriber / Logger
Transmedia Producer
Transportation coordinator
Unit Production manager
Visual effects Executive producer
Visual effects
Visual effects coordinator
Visual effects producer
Visual effects supervisor
Voice director

I think david needs a list of which need to be added and which need to be merged and which need to be removed.

What you gave is a list that needs to be "here" :)

cheers
Juan

I wasn't talking to David, I was posting for morning star so that it helps hilm according to what David needs which can include adding some and that is an alphetical list that helps ;)

Tonks wrote:
I wasn't talking to David, I was posting for morning star so that it helps hilm according to what David needs which can include adding some and that is an alphetical list that helps ;)

Ahhh ok, I misunderstood this then :)

sorry
Juan

No worries, i understand how it could be misconstrued :)