Shows that are canceled and aired to completion on another network (Wonderfalls)

dpratt wrote 8 years ago: 1

I feel like I read this somewhere but now I can't find it again.

When Wonderfalls premiered on FOX in spring 2004, they only aired 4 episodes then canceled the series literally not airing any more of the 13 episodes. Some of the episodes were later shown in Los Angeles movie theaters that July. But all 13 episodes of Wonderfalls were not aired to completion until Canada's VisionTV began airing them in October 2004.

This question is about how episodes are are listed on TVmaze. http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/1042/wonderfalls/episodes

I noticed that the Los Angeles movie theater showings are listed on here. Is that correct? Technically that isn't a premiere. It's a pre-screening.

My actual question, I seem to remember that when it airs on multiple networks we stick with the airdates with one network. In this case should we only list the VisionTV episodes? Or do we show the Fox ones first, then the VisionTV ones for the remaining episodes that aired in the fall?

gazza911 wrote 8 years ago: 1

From the Episodes FAQ:

"The source (a specific Network or a specific Web Channel) of episode airdates must be consistent within a season. If episodes within a season premiere on multiple sources, the source with the most amount of premieres wins. The airdates for all episodes in the season must follow the winning source, or the airdate must be left empty if the episode never premiered on that source.

For example, a show airs 10 episodes on FOX after which it's cancelled. A few months later, the final 3 episodes air on a foreign network. In this case, the airdate for those final 3 episodes must be left empty. Or; a show's pilot premieres on a Web Channel after which the rest of the season premieres on a Network. In that case, the Network's airdates must be used for all of the episodes."

What I get from that is that it should be VisionTV.

tnt wrote 8 years ago: 1

"Somewhere" like in the policy, probably?))

http://www.tvmaze.com/faq/15/episodes

I think "Season consistency" chapter holds the answer to your question.

It short: FOX dates should be used. If some episodes was not aired by FOX, airdates for those episodes should be left empty.

dpratt wrote 8 years ago: 1

gazza911 wrote:
From the Episodes FAQ:
"The source (a specific Network or a specific Web Channel) of episode airdates must be consistent within a season. If episodes within a season premiere on multiple sources, the source with the most amount of premieres wins. The airdates for all episodes in the season must follow the winning source, or the airdate must be left empty if the episode never premiered on that source.
For example, a show airs 10 episodes on FOX after which it's cancelled. A few months later, the final 3 episodes air on a foreign network. In this case, the airdate for those final 3 episodes must be left empty. Or; a show's pilot premieres on a Web Channel after which the rest of the season premieres on a Network. In that case, the Network's airdates must be used for all of the episodes."

What I get from that is that it should be VisionTV.

Me too. Thanks.

I read that too but I think I was thrown off by the example they used.

So does that mean we count this as a VisionTV series and not a FOX series in all aspects of it?

tnt wrote 8 years ago: 1

dpratt wrote:
Me too. Thanks.
I read that too but I think I was thrown off by the example they used.
So does that mean we count this as a VisionTV series and not a FOX series in all aspects of it?

Where it was premiered earlier? If at FOX – then it should be FOX show.

dpratt wrote 8 years ago: 1

tnt wrote:
"Somewhere" like in the policy, probably?))
http://www.tvmaze.com/faq/15/episodes
I think "Season consistency" chapter holds the answer to your question.
It short: FOX dates should be used. If some episodes was not aired by FOX, airdates for those episodes should be left empty.

If FOX had aired more episodes then I would agree. But according to this, the network with the most amount of premieres wins, which was VisionTV.

dpratt wrote 8 years ago: 1

tnt wrote:
Where it was premiered earlier? If at FOX – then it should be FOX show.

There were 13 episodes produced all part of Season 1. The first four episodes premiered on FOX in Spring 2004, the remaining 9 premiered on VisionTV in Canada in Fall 2004. (VisionTV aired all 13 episodes in order, not just the remaining 9.) Wonderfalls didn't air to completion on American TV until 2005 on Logo.

tnt wrote 8 years ago: 1

dpratt wrote:

If FOX had aired more episodes then I would agree. But according to this, the network with the most amount of premieres wins, which was VisionTV.

In this case only VisionTV dates should be used. No mixing between FOX/VisionTV.

Anyway, now the dates is somewhat messy. Episodes 10-11 is out of order. Are those really right dates? Or perhaps VisionTV broadcasted episodes in different order?

dpratt wrote 8 years ago: 1

These are dates that these episodes were first viewed by the public. The July dates are pre-screenings at Los Angeles movie theaters, not nationwide premieres, so IMO they don't belong there.

The VisionTV premiere of Episode 1 was Oct 4, 2004 according to this source: http://jam.canoe.com/Television/TV_Shows/W/Wonderfalls/2004/10/04/pf-732969.html I assume the fall dates listed are VisionTV premiere dates.

tnt wrote 8 years ago: 1

dpratt wrote:
These are dates that these episodes were first viewed by the public. The July dates are pre-screenings at Los Angeles movie theaters, not nationwide premieres, so IMO they don't belong there.
The VisionTV premiere of Episode 1 was Oct 4, 2004 according to this source: http://jam.canoe.com/Television/TV_Shows/W/Wonderfalls/2004/10/04/pf-732969.html I assume the fall dates listed are VisionTV premiere dates.

No need to assume, internet if your friend ;)

Here you'll find the original schedule:

https://web.archive.org/web/20041207001714/http://www.visiontv.ca/Programs/drama_wonderfalls.html

In short: Mondays, Oct 4 – Dec 27, 9PM ET

tnt wrote 8 years ago: 1

I think maybe show can be left as FOX series, but the season ownership could be changed to VisionTV with corresponding airdates?

Some advice from the HC or admin would be greatly appreciated.

dpratt wrote 8 years ago: 1

tnt wrote:
No need to assume, internet if your friend ;)
Here you'll find the original schedule:
https://web.archive.org/web/20041207001714/http://www.visiontv.ca/Programs/drama_wonderfalls.html
In short: Mondays, Oct 4 – Dec 27, 9PM ET

Good work :) The airdates currently listed on TVmaze are earlier than these dates. I don't have access to edit logs yet (Still pending) so I don't know who to ask where those dates are from.

tnt wrote 8 years ago: 1

dpratt wrote:

Good work :) The airdates currently listed on TVmaze are earlier than these dates. I don't have access to edit logs yet (Still pending) so I don't know who to ask where those dates are from.

It'll be Juan.

But I assume that the episodes was created by bulk importing from TVDb. Along with the airdates.

Anyway, you have the right dates now. I think you should post a link to this discussion in the 'edit request' topic, so someone with higher clearance will come here and give some definitive answers.