Pickle and Peanut - 15 minutes or 30 minutes?

I just now remembered one more very important point should it even matter? Summaries on Disney animated shows and also on Nickelodeon animated shows are always worded with both episode summaries under one episode and sometimes it is very hard to determine which part of the summary wording goes with which of the 2 episodes in question because of the way the wording runs altogether into 1 big sentence?

I believe Tom was told by Disney to add them as one episode. Even though they are two episodes (production), disney considers them to be one of 30 minutes per day.

Thomas wrote:
I believe Tom was told by Disney to add them as one episode. Even though they are two episodes (production), disney considers them to be one of 30 minutes per day.

Yeah i was, its something I havent got to yet. But this is how Disney have requested we list the episodes.

TomSouthwell wrote:
Yeah i was, its something I havent got to yet. But this is how Disney have requested we list the episodes.

Just to clarify, are you planning on going back over the first 38 separate episodes and combining them down to 16 episodes, just asking?

Can we get a set policy for all shows that have these types of episodes that ALL episodes be listed/added the same and not have it appear one way then the other way for consistency please or is that not important to anyone but me?

JAGUARDOG wrote:
Can we get a set policy for all shows that have these types of episodes that ALL episodes be listed/added the same and not have it appear one way then the other way for consistency please or is that not important to anyone but me?

I agree we need a policy for that to avoid confusion!

OK here is another animated series "Paw Patrol" airs on Nickelodeon. It is missing about 10 episodes but before I add them in I wanted to know which way should they be added in 2 separate 15 minute episodes or 1 30 minute episode like you stated with Disney cartoons? The episodes are listed here are 2 separate per day for 3 seasons however Nickelodeon shows their toons as 1 long episode 30 minutes long with 2 toon titles and 1 long summary for both episodes.

Do you wish the current episode listing format to continue on this show or will this one be changed like the Disney show discussed above please?

NOTE: Nickelodeon shows today's episode this way:

Pups Save a Dragon/Pups Save the Three Little Pigs

The town play is sure to be a hit with Katie as a princess and Marshall playing as the back half of a dragon. But when Marshall takes a quick nap during a rehearsal break, he wakes to find a real fire-breathing dragon guarding a sleeping Katie in the Lookout Tower! Ryder calls in the Air Patroller and puts a plan in action. Marshall will have to put out the dragon's fire-y breath while the other pups distract it, and Rocky will have to fly in Cali to give Katie her true love kitty kiss if this fairy tale is to have a happy ending! Rocky wakes up with Farmer Yumi's three little piglets curled up beside him. Seems something or someone ate the pigs straw house. The pups build a new one, out of sticks this time, only to have it disappear too. Not only does the Paw Patrol have a brick house to build, but they have a mystery to solve too.

JAGUARDOG wrote:
Just to clarify, are you planning on going back over the first 38 separate episodes and combining them down to 16 episodes, just asking?

Yep, when I get round to it

JAGUARDOG wrote:
OK here is another animated series "Paw Patrol" airs on Nickelodeon. It is missing about 10 episodes but before I add them in I wanted to know which way should they be added in 2 separate 15 minute episodes or 1 30 minute episode like you stated with Disney cartoons? The episodes are listed here are 2 separate per day for 3 seasons however Nickelodeon shows their toons as 1 long episode 30 minutes long with 2 toon titles and 1 long summary for both episodes.
Do you wish the current episode listing format to continue on this show or will this one be changed like the Disney show discussed above please?
NOTE: Nickelodeon shows today's episode this way:
Pups Save a Dragon/Pups Save the Three Little Pigs
The town play is sure to be a hit with Katie as a princess and Marshall playing as the back half of a dragon. But when Marshall takes a quick nap during a rehearsal break, he wakes to find a real fire-breathing dragon guarding a sleeping Katie in the Lookout Tower! Ryder calls in the Air Patroller and puts a plan in action. Marshall will have to put out the dragon's fire-y breath while the other pups distract it, and Rocky will have to fly in Cali to give Katie her true love kitty kiss if this fairy tale is to have a happy ending! Rocky wakes up with Farmer Yumi's three little piglets curled up beside him. Seems something or someone ate the pigs straw house. The pups build a new one, out of sticks this time, only to have it disappear too. Not only does the Paw Patrol have a brick house to build, but they have a mystery to solve too.

I will see if my contact at Nick is around but I assume it will be a similar request made by them, reading your post

I think our policy on episode numbering covers this fairly well: http://www.tvmaze.com/faq/15/episodes

In short, if there is any sort of on-screen indication that the episode has two separate parts (separate titles; credits; a break), it should be two separate episodes.

So for example, if there are two episode titles listed separately on-screen (in the intro, in a break, or in the credits) it should be two separate episodes.

If someone has actually watched a specific show and has determined whether this is or isn't the case, feel free to request an entry in the show's Edit Wiki to make it clear once and for all.

david wrote:
I think our policy on episode numbering covers this fairly well: http://www.tvmaze.com/faq/15/episodes
In short, if there is any sort of on-screen indication that the episode has two separate parts (separate titles; credits; a break), it should be two separate episodes.
So for example, if there are two episode titles listed separately on-screen (in the intro, in a break, or in the credits) it should be two separate episodes.
If someone has actually watched a specific show and has determined whether this is or isn't the case, feel free to request an entry in the show's Edit Wiki to make it clear once and for all.

But what if the network is asking for episodes to be listed as one instead of two?

I'd say we ignore that, unless they have an extremely compelling argument.

In my opinion it's worth more to have a predictable numbering system that's consistent throughout the entire site - regardless of the show's origin - than to satisfy individual network's interpretations.

david wrote:
I think our policy on episode numbering covers this fairly well: http://www.tvmaze.com/faq/15/episodes
In short, if there is any sort of on-screen indication that the episode has two separate parts (separate titles; credits; a break), it should be two separate episodes.
So for example, if there are two episode titles listed separately on-screen (in the intro, in a break, or in the credits) it should be two separate episodes.
If someone has actually watched a specific show and has determined whether this is or isn't the case, feel free to request an entry in the show's Edit Wiki to make it clear once and for all.

Yes the policy is very clear for normal non-animated shows but animated shows like explained above are not the norm. Wow, I'm not sure I can even explain the difference so you will understand why they are not the same? First Off there is no way you can seperate a summary that runs altogether into 1 so that it/they can be used on 2 different episodes that air back-to-back so to speak. Therefore if valid summaries are important where they can be found and used you have 3 choices I think but there might be more than 3?

1. Try and figure out what part of the summary goes with which episode?

2. Use the same summary on both episodes (this is not a good idea and I assume is a no no)

3. When it can't be determine what part of a summary goes with what episode that do not add a summary for either episode.

In this episode summary example the part that goes with each episode SEEMS fairly cut and dry but I would only be guessing?

The town play is sure to be a hit with Katie as a princess and Marshall playing as the back half of a dragon. But when Marshall takes a quick nap during a rehearsal break, he wakes to find a real fire-breathing dragon guarding a sleeping Katie in the Lookout Tower! Ryder calls in the Air Patroller and puts a plan in action. Marshall will have to put out the dragon's fire-y breath while the other pups distract it, and Rocky will have to fly in Cali to give Katie her true love kitty kiss if this fairy tale is to have a happy ending! Rocky wakes up with Farmer Yumi's three little piglets curled up beside him. Seems something or someone ate the pigs straw house. The pups build a new one, out of sticks this time, only to have it disappear too. Not only does the Paw Patrol have a brick house to build, but they have a mystery to solve too.

BOLD is for the 1st episode and what remains is for the 2nd episode or do they?

Now for the Part 1, Part 2 type episodes that air back-to-back. Do you separate those just because it is very clear that it is 2 episodes or have them as one like this "Ta Da, Part 1" / "Ta Da, Part 2" I really believe since they air back to back they should be 1 Episode but that's just my opinion.

Lastly it is my personal opinion that using "What it shows/indicates on screen" as an option to make anything Gospel is not the way to go because then it's all open to speculation did that member really watch that episode or are they just saying that to make their point? Since the episode in question has already aired there is no way to disproved what they claim they saw unless a 2nd person (or more) also claim they watched that episode also themselves? What if 2 members claim they watched an episode and one says just the oppisite then what the other says then whom do you believe/trust the 1st one maybe? Speculation and hearsay is not the way to go it should be either written in stone somewhere or as TS has said call the Network if you know who to call and ask them?

NOTE: Please excuse any typos on my behalf here or anywhere else as I have a very sick 3-legged cat that must be in my lap at all times while I am on the Computer or she gets very upset and noisy. I feel very sorry for her, she is old and because I am an old softie when it comes to kids and pets especially disabled ones I let them walk all over me...

david wrote:
I'd say we ignore that, unless they have an extremely compelling argument.
In my opinion it's worth more to have a predictable numbering system that's consistent throughout the entire site - regardless of the show's origin - than to satisfy individual network's interpretations.

I agree with the 1st 1/2 of what you are saying but not the part about ignoring what the Network wants. If it was not for networks we would have no shows and then we would have to watch our Radios no, Booring, Booring, Booring as I can watch my Radio maybe for 2 minutes at one sitting?

david wrote:
I'd say we ignore that, unless they have an extremely compelling argument.
In my opinion it's worth more to have a predictable numbering system that's consistent throughout the entire site - regardless of the show's origin - than to satisfy individual network's interpretations.

But then we aren't consistent with how the networks are numbering their episodes. For a lot of these shows which are split into 2, the episodes are numbered as 1a and 1b not 1.

Sorry guys but I will be off the Grid for a few hours as I must take my wife to the E.R., to be continued......

JAGUARDOG wrote:
Sorry guys but I will be off the Grid for a few hours as I must take my wife to the E.R., to be continued......

Good luck Ron, hope everything will be ok!

JAGUARDOG wrote:
First Off there is no way you can seperate a summary that runs altogether into 1 so that it/they can be used on 2 different episodes that air back-to-back so to speak.

Lastly it is my personal opinion that using "What it shows/indicates on screen" as an option to make anything Gospel is not the way to go because then it's all open to speculation did that member really watch that episode or are they just saying that to make their point?

I don't see how an arbitrary summary relates to the subject at all. You could write a single summary for an entire season - but that wouldn't be a reason to list the entire season as a single episode. :)

I can definitely understand that preferring on-screen data might appear counter intuitive, but think about it. What else could we trust primarily? We've seen that the data networks provide online isn't very reliable: especially for complicated scenarios they frequently change their listings after the fact, weeks or sometimes even months later. So exactly the same thing is true: someone can claim that a show's official website contained a particular listing in the past, and we'd have no way to verify it.

In contrast, on-screen data is very clear and always final, since it can't be changed once it's aired. And there's a really simple way to back up your claims if they are contested by a different member: simply upload a screencap of the credits/title card to the episode's gallery and it will be there as proof forever.

Finally, what you see on screen originates very close to the source, and is almost definitely the way the episode's creators intended it to be. Information you see on a network's website might be maintained by a department that wasn't directly involved in creating the episode.

david wrote:
I don't see how an arbitrary summary relates to the subject at all. You could write a single summary for an entire season - but that wouldn't be a reason to list the entire season as a single episode. :)
I can definitely understand that preferring on-screen data might appear counter intuitive, but think about it. What else could we trust primarily? We've seen that the data networks provide online isn't very reliable: especially for complicated scenarios they frequently change their listings after the fact, weeks or sometimes even months later. So exactly the same thing is true: someone can claim that a show's official website contained a particular listing in the past, and we'd have no way to verify it.
In contrast, on-screen data is very clear and always final, since it can't be changed once it's aired. And there's a really simple way to back up your claims if they are contested by a different member: simply upload a screencap of the credits/title card to the episode's gallery and it will be there as proof forever.
Finally, what you see on screen originates very close to the source, and is almost definitely the way the episode's creators intended it to be. Information you see on a network's website might be maintained by a department that wasn't directly involved in creating the episode.

simply upload a screencap of the credits/title card to the episode's gallery and it will be there as proof forever.- Excuse me but are you saying you know 100% to be fact that you can find on screen data of any episode that ever aired in the past for any show, from any country? That I find very, very hard to believe that many sites, networks etc keep on screen shots of past shows for any reason? Why would they need to see old screen information on the Internet that seems like an awful waste of memory space to retain something like that for any reason when they can just drop an old show tape or whatever they call them these days into a machine to look at them if need be?

Can you provide me a URL to where I can find Episode 13 of Season 8 of Gilligan's Island so I can watch it please?