Pickle and Peanut - 15 minutes or 30 minutes?

I don't see how an arbitrary summary relates to the subject at all. - A summary as we all know is information about an episode or episodes and we are talking about episodes so i muse assume my point flew over your head maybe if I word it differently? A cartoon show airs 2 back-to-back episodes titled "John went downtown" immediately followed by "Ellen and John had a Baby" the summary is written on the show's website for both episodes but it is one big paragraph and no way to determine what part of this big paragraph belongs to which episode? So adding the 2 episodes as 1 episode # just as the Network has it would allow the entire big paragraph to pertain to both cartoons and the 1 Episode.

However someone decided "I don't care that the Nickelodeon website lists this as 1 episode" because I am adding it as 2 episodes and using the wording of their 1 summary twice into both episodes.

JAGUARDOG wrote:

Can you provide me a URL to where I can find Episode 13 of Season 8 of Gilligan's Island so I can watch it please?

Since the show only ran 3 seasons, that would be kind of difficult. ;)

Anyhoo, generally speaking, I'd agree with David that you pick one format and stick with it. If 50% of networks do it one way and 50% do it the other, you're going to be wrong no matter what. Or you're going to have half the shows listed one way, and half listed the other, based on different networks. Which is going to be endlessly confusing to site users.

Different networks list show stars and costars different ways, too. And yet TVmaze imposes (hopefully) one standard. I'd say listing the 1 vs. 1a/1b episodes would be treated the same.

The whole multi-episode thing gets even more confusing with other shows. Night Gallery, for instance, is missing about a third of its episodes because often they ran two or three stories in a single "episode." So for instance, the 9/29/71 episode "Since Aunt Ada Came to Stay" is actually three episodes: Aunt Ada, With Apologies to Mr. Hyde, and The Flip-Side of Satan. So they're not listed as a single multi-title episode or as three separate episodes on the same date. You can't fix that until you know how TVMaze wants to list it. And there's not much of an official source for a show 40+ years old.

On the other hand, the 1980s Twilight Zone has each individual episode listed separately, even if it aired on the same date as part of the same "episode."

Since a lot of the data is being imported from TVDB, maybe the question is, how are they doing it?

Anyhoo, generally speaking, I'd agree with David that you pick one format and stick with it. If 50% of networks do it one way and 50% do it the other, you're going to be wrong no matter what. Or you're going to have half the shows listed one way, and half listed the other, based on different networks. Which is going to be endlessly confusing to site users. - That is not necessary at all why do you even say that?

So networks differ so what and who cares and that's not important or even has anything what so ever to do with this Animation discussion WOW talk about way out in Left Field?

There should not be a set standard if TBS list it one way and WORLD list their episodes differently so what and so be it then we do it like they have their listings.

Now let's try to get back to the main point of 2 Episodes in one regardless of what the network is please?

Or at least if a show's episodes are listed one way then they should stay listed the same way forever not switch the ores in mid stream like some knucklehead did with Pickle! Since that was so long ago I will try to enlighten anyone who may have missed it?

The show began with 2 episodes per day but when it reached 37 the member decided 2 episodes for each Episode # was the way to go. So either they didn't look to see how it was currently being done so they could add new episodes the same way or they wanted to do it their way? Or they went to the Disney XD TV listings and saw how Disney listed their episodes and decided that adding new episodes based on the way Disney does it was the correct way to do so here?

This is all because there is NOT a good clear policy of how to add Cartoon Episodes to the site yet that is not worded so intellectually that us non-College grads could decipher what is being said? In other words worded so us uneducated common folk can easily understand it and not feel like someone is talking way over our heads.

Since we're talking about a) how the networks list shows, including animated ones, and b) whether networks list them as two separate 15-minute episodes, or one 30-minute episode with two smaller episodes, it seems to be pretty relevant...

Do you want to do it the way the network lists it ("we do it like they have their listings"), or do you want TVMaze to have a single consistent standard and ignore the networks ("if TBS list it one way and WORLD list their episodes differently so what")?

Me, I'd go with "so what?" as far as what the networks do.

Also, the way TVMaze is set up, you have to list separate episodes separately, even if two of them air as 15-minute segments of one 30-minute episode. If they have different writers and directors, how do you indicate which ones belong to which episode if you lump them together?

Gadfly wrote:
Since we're talking about a) how the networks list shows, including animated ones, and b) whether networks list them as two separate 15-minute episodes, or one 30-minute episode with two smaller episodes, it seems to be pretty relevant...
Do you want to do it the way the network lists it ("we do it like they have their listings"), or do you want TVMaze to have a single consistent standard and ignore the networks ("if TBS list it one way and WORLD list their episodes differently so what")?
Me, I'd go with "so what?" as far as what the networks do.
Also, the way TVMaze is set up, you have to list separate episodes separately, even if two of them air as 15-minute segments of one 30-minute episode. If they have different writers and directors, how do you indicate which ones belong to which episode if you lump them together?

Good point but..... you have to list separate episodes separately! I don;t think that is a true statement "You don't have to" maybe you should or maybe you shouldn't that is up to the Biggies to decide but NOT You Have to please?

david and jan need to decide if we go with the website listings or if we use a consistant standard.

Gadfly wrote:
Since we're talking about a) how the networks list shows, including animated ones, and b) whether networks list them as two separate 15-minute episodes, or one 30-minute episode with two smaller episodes, it seems to be pretty relevant...
Do you want to do it the way the network lists it ("we do it like they have their listings"), or do you want TVMaze to have a single consistent standard and ignore the networks ("if TBS list it one way and WORLD list their episodes differently so what")?
Me, I'd go with "so what?" as far as what the networks do.
Also, the way TVMaze is set up, you have to list separate episodes separately, even if two of them air as 15-minute segments of one 30-minute episode. If they have different writers and directors, how do you indicate which ones belong to which episode if you lump them together?

Depends if the show then credits them as just crew for the whole half an hour or credits them as writer of 1a and someone else as writer of 1b, which I have seen before

TomSouthwell wrote:
Depends if the show then credits them as just crew for the whole half an hour or credits them as writer of 1a and someone else as writer of 1b, which I have seen before

Yes this is true however finding non cast credits at Episode level on a lot of/most cartoons is very difficult at best. Most TV/Network sites don't list them and if they are not found on IMDB than the chances of finding them anywhere is even worse so I would say using crew as an excuse on cartoons is not a good reason to split!

With all that being said I must assume not many members if any any care about Cartoons at Episode level Crew as I have yet to find any with crew on them here at Maze?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm talking primarily about writers and directors.

But I'd agree that not many members care about episode level crew for any show, cartoon or live-action. If nothing else, understandably it's not a very high priority compared to getting shows, episodes, basic show & guest cast, and writers/directors into the system.

"so I would say using crew as an excuse on cartoons is not a good reason to split!"

So... you don't want to split these 1a/1b-type episodes? If you do think that they should be split, what would you consider a good reason to do so?

Gadfly wrote:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm talking primarily about writers and directors.
But I'd agree that not many members care about episode level crew for any show, cartoon or live-action. If nothing else, understandably it's not a very high priority compared to getting shows, episodes, basic show & guest cast, and writers/directors into the system.
"so I would say using crew as an excuse on cartoons is not a good reason to split!"
So... you don't want to split these 1a/1b-type episodes? If you do think that they should be split, what would you consider a good reason to do so?

No I do NOT think any Cartoon Episodes should be split. Networks don't (or at least the Majority don't) split them why should we? I think your question s/b why would you want them to be split and I can't think of even 1 good reason they should be split and way too many why they should not be split, kabish?

Hasn't David already answered this:

"In short, if there is any sort of on-screen indication that the episode has two separate parts (separate titles; credits; a break), it should be two separate episodes."

eherberg wrote:
Hasn't David already answered this:
"In short, if there is any sort of on-screen indication that the episode has two separate parts (separate titles; credits; a break), it should be two separate episodes."

Excuse me but NO he has not answered it so us peeons can understand what he is saying. Besides the on screen excuse was explained away earlier in this thread!

Besides the use of on-screen could only ever be used after the espisode(s) in question have aired not before which is what the entire conversation is about. So to add upcoming episodes we MUST go by what the Network has to add future upcoming episodes because there is nothing else to go by.

I doubt anyone is going to add future episodes and then after they have aired someone go back and change any already added that would be ludicrous and a huge waste of time, no?

I'm very sorry if I Failed to mention somewhere in this thread we are talking about adding new upcoming episodes with no screen shots available yet to use as proof! I'll try to remember to spell that out if I have to discuss an issue ever again for those who do not read between the lines, sorry again! Also for those members who always say the same thing over and over and over again, NO I am NOT trying to be rude here, please, I am just trying to make a point, thank you.

I'm short on time today, so we'll have to keep it very brief.

The current policy is really pretty clear:

1) On-screen data takes priority over anything else
2) If the (on-screen) data lists distinctly separate titles or crew, we create 2 separate episodes

Now we're always happy to discuss the policy. If you disagree with something, simply create a thread with a well-written proposal for a change or amendment. If the vast majority of the users agrees with you, it's very likely to pass. Until that time, the current policy stands.

david wrote:
I'm short on time today, so we'll have to keep it very brief.
The current policy is really pretty clear:
1) On-screen data takes priority over anything else
2) If the (on-screen) data lists distinctly separate titles or crew, we create 2 separate episodes
Now we're always happy to discuss the policy. If you disagree with something, simply create a thread with a well-written proposal for a change or amendment. If the vast majority of the users agrees with you, it's very likely to pass. Until that time, the current policy stands.

No I'm not really against the policy just the way it reads so when you have more time please read what I last posted because there is NO Screen data available yet for upcoming episodes!

Besides the use of on-screen could only ever be used after the espisode(s) in question have aired not before which is what the entire conversation is about. So to add upcoming episodes we MUST go by what the Network has to add future upcoming episodes because there is nothing else to go by.

I doubt anyone is going to add future episodes and then after they have aired someone go back and change any already added that would be ludicrous and a huge waste of time, no?

JAGUARDOG wrote:
No I'm not really against the policy just the way it reads so when you have more time please read what I last posted because there is NO Screen data available yet for upcoming episodes!

The episodes that have already aired should be listed according to the on-screen information. For upcoming episodes, simply continue the pattern that's been established for that show. If the first 10 episodes for a show have been determined as split up, the 11th episode will almost definitely be the same.

If there is any confusion regarding a specific show, please request an entry in the show's wiki.

david wrote:
The episodes that have already aired should be listed according to the on-screen information. For upcoming episodes, simply continue the pattern that's been established for that show. If the first 10 episodes for a show have been determined as split up, the 11th episode will almost definitely be the same.
If there is any confusion regarding a specific show, please request an entry in the show's wiki.

That would be great but I cannot find a/the wiki for this show and it still shows the last 3 episodes as I said in my very first post as 1 and they must be split please so can you either have the show episodes fixed or update it's wiki if it has one or both? "Pickle and Peanut"