@JuanArango wrote:
I would like to see an official source :)
ok let me see if i can find one :3
@eherberg wrote:
@JuanArango I noticed that the episode of 'Girl Meets Farm' from 12/27/20 was re-seasoned by you yesterday (moving the episode to a new season 7) I'm assuming because of this source.As no doubt you're aware - the site (like all Scripps sites) uses production numbering for both season and episode. If you go to the consumer-facing Food Network site (the 'watch' site), you can see this episode as the previous season (what it had prior to the edit).
The question for all staff would be: In this case (as in most Scripps shows) which site holds the higher priority? The production-based 'foodnetwork.com' site? Or the network 'watch.foodnetwork.com' site? Both are network 'sources' -- but seemingly controlled by two different entities after the Scripps/Discovery merger.
If the production site is used - what criteria? Use it for season numbering determination, but ignore it for episodes? As is known - episode number does not follow aired order on the production site. However - if season numbering is to be taken from the production foodnetwork.com site - then next weekend's episode of 'Book Club Party' would now be back at season 6 and we have simultaneous seasons going on.
It should be noted that the 'watch' site has no such issues - with episode numbers being assigned in airing order and no simultaneous season issues (with the only difference being the difference in the determination of the season 'break'.
Some side notes: There is no press or social media network notice that I can find to support one or the other for the season breaks. For what it's worth - other distribution platforms (Amazon, Vudu, etc) seem to match the 'watch' site. Listings sites like Rovi or Gracenote each differ on their episode numbering - but have at least the season matching the 'watch' site (although they are also counting a lot of the 'best-of' clip shows as 'new' episodes also).
One other 'glitch' that has just shown up during the last couple weeks or so on the production-oriented site: Some of the episodes that are searchable by title in season 7 are only available via direct-link while their episode list page only has the featured recipe. This just changed within the past 2 weeks, I believe, and is almost certainly an error. The previous listings for production-sourced season 7 for example had actual episode names like 'Brunch Club Strikes Again' while now it lists the episode in the list as 'Pita and Greens Benedict'. Even weirder - the episode page with its actual title still exists. The 'watch' site, of course, has the episode title named correctly.
I know that the Scripps stuff is a total mess. :(
I changed it to season 7 because of the listing on futon: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/girl-meets-farm/listings/
as they usually only rely to press releases.
Of course I am not familiar with the show at all.
Yeah - Futon can be handy, but they aren't a source and also follow production numbers. If using Futon, then the last 2 weeks have been season 7 ... but next weekend we're back to season 6. It still comes down to whether production numbering should have a bearing on season numbering. Again - the 'watch' site doesn't have this issue. If using production numbering, we will have to make exceptions for the cross back-and-forth which in the policy calls for a switch to year-based. However, it only happens typically during the end-of-a-season, and we have an alternate network source that doesn't have this problem but does season-start differently when compared to production-numbering assignment
A side note on Futon: I agree the site can be handy (I use it, spoiler, and Tango quite a bit), but a fair amount of care needs to be applied also with secondary source confirmation. One of my biggest criticisms about Futon is they don't check when networks re-number and alter history so overlapping and duplicative entries are sometimes found when going back through a show's listings. After 'Ghost Adventures' on Travel had done 2 sets of renumbering a couple of years ago, you can now find assignment of the same SxxExx value to 4 different episodes if using Futon. Their update time when schedules change needs to be verified against sources. I don't find them terribly timely for less-popular shows when schedules change. I noticed that 'Miz & Mrs' earlier this year had incorrect data for 6 weeks because the network changed airing order vs earlier announced press order that Futon didn't catch until literally the last week of season. :-)
@eherberg wrote:
Yeah - Futon can be handy, but they aren't a source and also follow production numbers. If using Futon, then the last 2 weeks have been season 7 ... but next weekend we're back to season 6. It still comes down to whether production numbering should have a bearing on season numbering. Again - the 'watch' site doesn't have this issue. If using production numbering, we will have to make exceptions for the cross back-and-forth which in the policy calls for a switch to year-based. However, it only happens typically during the end-of-a-season, and we have an alternate network source that doesn't have this problem but does season-start differently when compared to production-numbering assignmentA side note on Futon: I agree the site can be handy (I use it, spoiler, and Tango quite a bit), but a fair amount of care needs to be applied also with secondary source confirmation. One of my biggest criticisms about Futon is they don't check when networks re-number and alter history so overlapping and duplicative entries are sometimes found when going back through a show's listings. After 'Ghost Adventures' on Travel had done 2 sets of renumbering a couple of years ago, you can now find assignment of the same SxxExx value to 4 different episodes if using Futon. Their update time when schedules change needs to be verified against sources. I don't find them terribly timely for less-popular shows when schedules change. I noticed that 'Miz & Mrs' earlier this year had incorrect data for 6 weeks because the network changed airing order vs earlier announced press order that Futon didn't catch until literally the last week of season. :-)
You do know much more about all the Scripps stuff than I do, please change it to what you think is correct :)
@teddyv44 wrote:
ok let me see if i can find one :3
There is nothing to suggest whilst watching these episodes that they are special or any different to any of the other episodes in the series.
https://www.tvmaze.com/people/300863/michael-alan-johnson
https://www.tvmaze.com/people/265540/mike-johnson
same guy, needs merging
@mad_man1983 wrote:
https://www.tvmaze.com/people/300863/michael-alan-johnson
https://www.tvmaze.com/people/265540/mike-johnson
same guy, needs merging
merged.
@JuanArango wrote:
You do know much more about all the Scripps stuff than I do, please change it to what you think is correct :)
Unfortunately, it isn't quite that simple. I mean - I certainly can change it to what I think it should be - but it requires an assumption about the data rules that is a little bit of a grey area. It may be helpful for staff to make a precedent here that would help in future discussions regarding Scripps (or Discovery) numbering.
To summarize:
We have 2 network sources for this program. This one uses production numbers for season and episode. This one does not and numbers episodes by airdate.
If the production foodnetwork.com (or travelchannel.com or hgtv.com or etc) is the authority between the two for at least season numbers (since episode numbering is already known to not match airdate) then we likely run into an overlapping season issue starting as soon as next weekend. If the episode presentation focused watch.foodnetwork.com (or watch.travelchannel.com or watch.hgtv.com or etc) is the authority, then we don't have an overlapping season problem, however season delineation points will be different than the production season assignment.
Personally, my opinion is that a headache can be avoided by ignoring the production numbering and using the network source where items are already assigned in numerical order. However, I also note that most users who may be unaware of the production-focus of the site will probably use foodnetwork.com (or travelchannel.com or hgtv.com, etc) simply because that's what is going to be top of a Google search results list when searching for the network. It adds to the confusion when a secondary site like FutonCritic is also using production number assignment. Heck - even the Scene most times labels them with a production value even though the 'watch' site they're ripping them from has a different number.
Looking back at previous seasons, assumptions look like they have been made as there isn't a perfect match to any source - but I suspect that most previous numbering has been done by users simply to match the Scene numbering when season breaks are different between the 2 network sources. (At least when I do a quick comparison).
So any thoughts from staff regarding which way to go on this issue? Would that decision also extrapolate out to instances where other differences exist depending on which network site is referenced (which I suppose would be encountered on nearly every show on their networks)?
Hi
Please delete the duplicated Chandra Wilson entry.
Thanks
Please remove Rich Halke character from this episode of Step by Step...
https://www.tvmaze.com/episodes/165433/step-by-step-3x04-the-paper-chase/castappearances
...he does appear in it but plays a different character and that was a couple of years before he became one of the main cast in the series. I made a mistake and added him too soon, but can't remove him myself, sorry.
@MAT13 wrote:
Please remove Rich Halke character from this episode of Step by Step...https://www.tvmaze.com/episodes/165433/step-by-step-3x04-the-paper-chase/castappearances
...he does appear in it but plays a different character and that was a couple of years before he became one of the main cast in the series. I made a mistake and added him too soon, but can't remove him myself, sorry.
Done :)
@eherberg wrote:
Unfortunately, it isn't quite that simple. I mean - I certainly can change it to what I think it should be - but it requires an assumption about the data rules that is a little bit of a grey area. It may be helpful for staff to make a precedent here that would help in future discussions regarding Scripps (or Discovery) numbering.To summarize:
We have 2 network sources for this program. This one uses production numbers for season and episode. This one does not and numbers episodes by airdate.
If the production foodnetwork.com (or travelchannel.com or hgtv.com or etc) is the authority between the two for at least season numbers (since episode numbering is already known to not match airdate) then we likely run into an overlapping season issue starting as soon as next weekend. If the episode presentation focused watch.foodnetwork.com (or watch.travelchannel.com or watch.hgtv.com or etc) is the authority, then we don't have an overlapping season problem, however season delineation points will be different than the production season assignment.
Personally, my opinion is that a headache can be avoided by ignoring the production numbering and using the network source where items are already assigned in numerical order. However, I also note that most users who may be unaware of the production-focus of the site will probably use foodnetwork.com (or travelchannel.com or hgtv.com, etc) simply because that's what is going to be top of a Google search results list when searching for the network. It adds to the confusion when a secondary site like FutonCritic is also using production number assignment. Heck - even the Scene most times labels them with a production value even though the 'watch' site they're ripping them from has a different number.
Looking back at previous seasons, assumptions look like they have been made as there isn't a perfect match to any source - but I suspect that most previous numbering has been done by users simply to match the Scene numbering when season breaks are different between the 2 network sources. (At least when I do a quick comparison).
So any thoughts from staff regarding which way to go on this issue? Would that decision also extrapolate out to instances where other differences exist depending on which network site is referenced (which I suppose would be encountered on nearly every show on their networks)?
As overlapping is not allowed I am completely with you, we should use the watch.com source :)
https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/29240/natures-great-race < plz mark this one, it's a dupe. ;)
@bungle wrote:
https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/29240/natures-great-race < plz mark this one, it's a dupe. ;)
done :)
https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/51665/byomkesh/episodes
plz add season 6
newly released
https://www.hoichoi.tv/show/title/byomkesh-web-series
Could you delete this show: https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/44496/green-arrow-and-the-canaries; see https://deadline.com/2021/01/arrow-spinoff-green-arrow-and-the-canaries-dead-not-going-forward-the-cw-the-100-prequel-tbd-still-alive-1234667542/
@Nivekolsen wrote:
Could you delete this show: https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/44496/green-arrow-and-the-canaries; see https://deadline.com/2021/01/arrow-spinoff-green-arrow-and-the-canaries-dead-not-going-forward-the-cw-the-100-prequel-tbd-still-alive-1234667542/
done :)
@teddyv44 wrote:
https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/51665/byomkesh/episodesplz add season 6
newly released
https://www.hoichoi.tv/show/title/byomkesh-web-series
added :)
https://www.tvmaze.com/people/300944/madeleine-falk
can someone add Madeleine Falkskog as an aka on this actress, thanks