Rocky Mountain Railroad

The "single unambiguous owner" for the show is Discovery Channel. Why the Canadian subsidiary should have preference over any other Discovery's subsidiary?

In any case, such discussion should have place before mass editing, not after the fact.

Indeed. I am with tnt on this. I'll revert it back till it is fully sorted.

Thomas wrote:
Indeed. I am with tnt on this. I'll revert it back till it is fully sorted.

Is there any point reverting it now before we have a discussion?

Don't want to have to revert it again if we decide it should be the Canadian one lol

gazza911 wrote:
Is there any point reverting it now before we have a discussion?

Don't want to have to revert it again if we decide it should be the Canadian one lol

World premiere was done by Discovery NL like two a three months in advance by basically the same channel & owner of the Canadian Discovery, so I am pretty confident that this rule does not apply on this show.

Discovery ordering a lot of different shows all over the world. But it doesn't mean, that the owner of the show is the particular Discovery's branch located in the country where the show was filmed. The owner is Discovery Communications, which regulates, where the show will premiere first. The show in question was already aired in NL and UK long before the Canadian premiere and currently being aired in Australia.

The rule from the policy would be in effect only if the Dutch premiere was on some non-Discovery channel.

tnt wrote:
Discovery ordering a lot of different shows all over the world. But it doesn't mean, that the owner of the show is the particular Discovery's branch located in the country where the show was filmed. The owner is Discovery Communications, which regulates, where the show will premiere first. The show in question was already aired in NL and UK long before the Canadian premiere and currently being aired in Australia.

The rule from the policy would be in effect only if the Dutch premiere was on some non-Discovery channel.

well explained :)

Actually, the "single unambiguous owner" for the show is Bell Media, who also owns 80% of Discovery Canada. Discovery Communications is the minority shareholder of the channel with 20%. The owner's TV Network is Discovery Canada, not Netherlands, UK or Australia.

Yes, they share a lot of shows, but that does not change who produced it.

You want to change it back to the Canadian airdates now?

wmulder wrote:
Actually, the "single unambiguous owner" for the show is Bell Media, who also owns 80% of Discovery Canada. Discovery Communications is the minority shareholder of the channel with 20%. The owner's TV Network is Discovery Canada, not Netherlands, UK or Australia.

Yes, they share a lot of shows, but that does not change who produced it.

You want to change it back to the Canadian airdates now?

Those are some new facts, before we change this back and forth I would like to ask david and jan about this, so that we get a final answer.

thx

Juan

I just talked to jan about this, it is a bit delicate.

We are getting your point wmulder, but if we are following this, hundreds of shows would have to be changed.

We see Discovery as one worldwide entity and the country it premiered on should be used for the airdates.

If we would dive into who owns how many percent of the local branches of Discovery this would become a black hole.

hope you understand :)

thx

Juan

The show was produced by Cineflix, which also have the rights. In particular for Discovery (EMEA & Asia) and Network Ten (Australia). Discovery NL is a part of Discovery EMEA.

Well, Canadians have not seen their own show and won't be able to find it in the Calendar at TVMaze anymore. The Dutch can find it, but it has already ended there, so they don't care anymore. Now what would make more sense, apart from who owns the show?

wmulder wrote:
Well, Canadians have not seen their own show and won't be able to find it in the Calendar at TVMaze anymore. The Dutch can find it, but it has already ended there, so they don't care anymore. Now what would make more sense, apart from who owns the show?

The most sense would make to follow the policy.

wmulder wrote:
Well, Canadians have not seen their own show and won't be able to find it in the Calendar at TVMaze anymore. The Dutch can find it, but it has already ended there, so they don't care anymore. Now what would make more sense, apart from who owns the show?

What kind of comment is that? So if a show like ''Taboo'' aired already on bbc for example, we simply can change dates to US dates, because it didn't air in the US yet and nobody in the uk cared anymore as it is already aired? This is the most non-legit comment I have seen from you.

We have discussed this matter with Curating, Head and Admins and all are in favour of sticking to our current policy which is by using the first premiere dates performed by Discovery NL. It would have been an entire different case if the show was produced and aired by one network, but I am pretty convinced that Discovery, Nat. Geo and Animal Planet for example would not apply to this rule as they intend their series to broadcast worldwide on their own licensed networks.

wmulder wrote:
Well, Canadians have not seen their own show and won't be able to find it in the Calendar at TVMaze anymore. The Dutch can find it, but it has already ended there, so they don't care anymore. Now what would make more sense, apart from who owns the show?

But we must follow a guideline and the most important one right now is, that we only air the premier date, maybe later if david and jan implement alternate dates this can be dealt with.

Thomas wrote:
What kind of comment is that? So if a show like ''Taboo'' aired for example, we simply can change dates to US dates, because it didn't air in the US yet? This is the most non-legit comment I have seen from you.

We have discussed this matter with Curating, Head and Admins and all are in favour of sticking to our current policy which is by using the first premiere dates performed by Discovery NL. It would have been an entire different case if the show was produced and aired by one network, but I am pretty convinced that Discovery, Nat. Geo and Animal Planet for example would not apply to this rule as they intend their series to broadcast worldwide.

Yes, I know that comment does not sound right, but you might have to consider it. If I as a contributor thinks that way, sort of. How about the users that can't find what they want to watch? Alternate airdates really does not sound that bad now, doesn't it.

The END. (no more discussion needed, I get the point, I hope you do too.)

wmulder wrote:
Yes, I know that comment does not sound right, but you might have to consider it. If I as a contributor thinks that way, sort of. How about the users that can't find what they want to watch? Alternate airdates really does not sound that bad now, doesn't it.

The END. (no more discussion needed, I get the point, I hope you do too.)

Let's all have a beer :)

wmulder wrote:
Yes, I know that comment does not sound right, but you might have to consider it. If I as a contributor thinks that way, sort of. How about the users that can't find what they want to watch? Alternate airdates really does not sound that bad now, doesn't it.

The END. (no more discussion needed, I get the point, I hope you do too.)

Alternate Airdates indeed would solve pretty much everything here :)

I tend to agree with the current listing on discovery NL. Our default policy is to follow the world premiere dates, only in specific situations does the "airdate owner" get priority. Discovery NL competing with Discovery CA isn't quite "single unambiguous" so we'd stick with the world premiere dates in NL.

I also agree that it's not very intuitive in this case, since the show seems to be about Canada specifically. Apart from voting for alternate airdates, please also ask Discovery why the hell they're making it so confusing. :)