Kabuki Kool Episode/Season Data Seems Incorrect

wickedfable wrote 4 years ago: 1

Hi there,

I wanted to go and edit these myself but thought I would ask here first before doing a big overhaul on the data for "Kabuki Kool" (https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/34905/kabuki-kool/episodes). It looks like the episodes and seasons are incorrectly organized. For example, Season 2017 has episodes in it that aired in 2018. I did some checking and it looks like there is indeed some discrepancies between what's currently listed on TVMaze and when the episodes aired and what seasons should have which episodes. 

Does anyone know if this is just some mistakes that are okay to be fixed or if there's a reason for the way this show is organized? I didn't want to go in and redo someone's work in case I'm missing something.

Thank you.

tnt wrote 4 years ago: 1

@gazza911 wrote:
On further inspection, their website lists 2019 episodes as part of the 2018 season. 

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/kabukikool/broadcast_2018.html

So that is how we'd also display it. 

Isn't the season should correspond with the episode's airdate? So if the episode were aired in 2019 it should belong to Season 2019.
Or it kind of beats the purpose of the year-based enumeration.


gazza911 wrote 4 years ago: 1

@tnt wrote:
Isn't the season should correspond with the episode's airdate? So if the episode were aired in 2019 it should belong to Season 2019.
Or it kind of beats the purpose of the year-based enumeration.

Normally yes, but we do a similar thing with sports seasons, where it's essentially 2018-2019.

It should only ever be like this when the network explicitly lists it as such. 

tnt wrote 4 years ago: 2

@gazza911 wrote:
Normally yes, but we do a similar thing with sports seasons, where it's essentially 2018-2019.

we actually had a discussion about that in the chat recently, and David said that the year should correspond with the airdate.

wickedfable wrote 4 years ago: 1

Hrm, I won't pretend to understand exactly how NHK lists the programs themselves but I have noticed with other programs that they do a lot of re-airing of the same exact episode but will sometimes not actually put what date the episode aired previously. A recent example would be the two listings for this episode titled "The World of Kabuki Choreograpy":

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/kabuki/20201007/2035067/

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/kabuki/20201028/2035067/

The second one does say "re-run" to be fair but I could imagine, potentially, older entries might have omitted that and thus it got all mixed up?

I must say I do prefer that if the season titles are year-based I would prefer the episodes to be from that year. There's some other NHK programs on TVMaze that follow that practice and I've also seen, for example, on TheTVDB that Kabuki Kool is also listed this way.


david wrote 4 years ago: 1

If a network does not provide season numbers for a show at all, we fall back to year-based numbering. In that case, the episodes will always be listed in the season/year where they aired.

But if a network does specifically provide season numbers, we follow those, even if that means an episode that aired in 2019 ends up in a season number 2018.

wickedfable wrote 4 years ago: 1

I think that's fair to go by what the network lists the episodes as.

Another issue I have found is that it looks like for the 2020 and 2021 seasons, there are reruns that are listed as episodes in those seasons. A couple episodes are even marked with "RERUN". I haven't checked yet to see how many exactly are reruns, but just wondering if there's a reason for this as well?


JuanArango wrote 4 years ago: 1

@wickedfable wrote:
I think that's fair to go by what the network lists the episodes as.

Another issue I have found is that it looks like for the 2020 and 2021 seasons, there are reruns that are listed as episodes in those seasons. A couple episodes are even marked with "RERUN". I haven't checked yet to see how many exactly are reruns, but just wondering if there's a reason for this as well?

the reruns should be deleted, I will take a look at this now.

LLJones wrote 4 years ago: 1

I followed the official website when I did it back in 2018.  My first thought was, huh this is a weird order too.  I think they do it because they must have shows in the can, so their 2018 season start are the shows they actually filmed in 2018, that's what I think they mean by it.  I haven't been very active recently.  The NHK shows aren't exactly popular here from what I can tell (hover over follow to get the numbers) so it dampened my ambitions to keep it updated.

Looking at their official site now I can see why somebody would be confused, I don't know, maybe it's my browser, but their site isn't listing the archives it used to.  Why on earth would you remove your own archives? EDIT: NVM They are still there actually, just change the year in the url.  They haven't done for 2020 and onward what they've done for 2019 and prior so no wonder it all looks confusing here.

wickedfable wrote 4 years ago: 1

@LLJones wrote:
I followed the official website when I did it back in 2018.  My first thought was, huh this is a weird order too.  I think they do it because they must have shows in the can, so their 2018 season start are the shows they actually filmed in 2018, that's what I think they mean by it.  I haven't been very active recently.  The NHK shows aren't exactly popular here from what I can tell (hover over follow to get the numbers) so it dampened my ambitions to keep it updated.

Looking at their official site now I can see why somebody would be confused, I don't know, maybe it's my browser, but their site isn't listing the archives it used to.  Why on earth would you remove your own archives? EDIT: NVM They are still there actually, just change the year in the url.  They haven't done for 2020 and onward what they've done for 2019 and prior so no wonder it all looks confusing here.

Yeah, after taking a look at it myself, I definitely don't fault you for that, at all. NHK's own listings on other shows, in general, have been confusing to look at, especially since they don't always seem to keep things up on their site (so you might have something that looks like a new episode but is actually a rerun, for example). I use TVMaze's info for my own personal use so that's the main reason I've been wanting to make sure the shows I'm looking at have accurate data. It's just hard to make sure things are actually accurate given the way NHK does things, haha.

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