Crew Credits

I second this addition. It's not only supernatural any show where the creator has left , they usually have that credit or consultant but i'm pretty sure the use of one or the other is based on industry contracts.

I didn't know Singer stepped down from coshowrunning with Carver. McG also has that credit (but it's the ed credits). And a lot of canadian shows have that specific term, but i'm not entirely sure it refers to same position.

McG is in the front-end credits now. He's set off a bit from Kripke and Singer, though. The only person listed at the end as of the season premiere is Jeremy Carver as Exec Prod.

Does requesting the addition of any crew credit work at this point? I'm still waiting for ones I posted here several weeks ago. Main Title Theme (or whatever variation) comes to mind... I don't know if David is adding them to some uber list or will enter them in one fall swoop. Or if he's waiting to look at new ones until he gets the first batch done.

I've given up on entering crew credits, really, except for some older shows. There's too many gaps in crew positions listed, and the fact that it lists them in order of the crew member's addition to the database rather than grouping them by type, is kind of a pain. That might be okay for current shows, when the more recent ones are near the bottom. But for older shows where you're playing catch-up, having Editors or DoPs or Executive Producers scattered all over the list is kind of difficult to work with.

I have no idea, executive consultant was part of my original list. it took 20 days to add producer. So i understand why you aren't entering them, for me, it's just that add system is too cumbersome. We all have our reasons ;)

Oh, I find it cumbersome, too. :)

But for instance, I'm updating The Man From U.N.C.L.E. here as it airs on a retro channel. Yeah, I could go back and add Jerry Goldsmith to the last... 6 weeks? of episodes once Main Title Theme is added as a crew position. But... but that's not the only show I'm updating. So I've got to track all those episodes. And track all of the episodes of the 14 shows that are airing new episodes that I watch. And the couple of other shows that I'm catching up on repeats like Rawhide, that have 3 main theme guys. . And whatever older shows I watch on weekends, like Twilight Zone and Man in a Suitcase currently. Am I going to go back and add the main theme guys (Marius Constant and Ron Grainer) for those? No. Because I don't have time to update the same episode credits twice. Sorry.

And that's just one crew credit. Multiply that by everyone else on your list and mine and Harnas' and whoever else's, and it becomes impossible instead of just highly improbable. ;)

Sometimes i miss TVRage :)

Only very few people care about the crew credits (besides creator, story, director, teleplay, writer, composer and maybe producers)

You won't find many users who are interested who was the "best boy" on Supernatural episode 1x10 or who was the assistant to the director on Castle episode 4x12 :)

That is the reason why this is a very low priority for us now, we got so many requests, so much stuff to do, things that many users urge for.

Also we have nobody to fill all that insanely detailed information in.

cheers
Juan

Hi

You have people like me or Gadfly or others . Maybe we are not so many , but i for myself is willing to fill the crew credits. So give me a chance to fill it in. If you got so much to do, it's an easy one to add Executive Consultant and Main Title Theme or not. :))

Ty

JuanArango wrote:
You won't find many users who are interested who was the "best boy" on Supernatural episode 1x10 or who was the assistant to the director on Castle episode 4x12 :)
That is the reason why this is a very low priority for us now, we got so many requests, so much stuff to do, things that many users urge for.
Also we have nobody to fill all that insanely detailed information in.
cheers
Juan

First, it seems odd that you don't want to add more obscure minor positions when... someone already has. "A" Camera Focus Puller? 1st Assistant Picture Editor? Assistant Department Head Hairstylist? Davinci Colorist (but not plain old "Colorist"?)? A lot of what we're asking to be added are a lot less obscure than the positions TVMaze already has on the list.

Anyhoo, IMDB seems to disagree with you. :) I hear they're pretty successful, and they include the information. That's not a direct causality link, but my understanding is that by having the ability to add and list "minor" crew, IMDB attracts a lot of professionals who want to enter themselves and the people they know.

Anyhoo, we all understand that adding better and more tools to add this information it is not a high priority. Fair enough. But a) someone has already added a lot of really obscure crew positions: Davinci Colorist, but not Main Title Theme?; and

b) My understanding is that just adding positions to the list wouldn't be that difficult. You most likely have a mini-database of positions, with each position being assigned a number. So "A" Camera Focus Puller is 0001, Davinci Colorist is 0025, and so on. If your list runs to 0100, you just... add more position names and numbers at the end of your current list, starting with 0101.

(I'm sure that it's more complicated than that, but that's almost certainly the basic structure.

Unless the site coding is really weird or complicated, expanding an existing list with more items shouldn't be that time-consuming.

FYI, you have Visual Effects Producer on the list twice.

And Visual Effects Supervisor and VFX Supervisor on there next to each other. They're... the same thing for all practical purposes.

I'm definitely not against adding more crew positions (As long as they are within reason, e.g. not a "<city> Casting" for each city in the world), but there have been more important things to do.

Keep suggesting them and we'll get to them all at once as soon as there's time.

Sounds good. Since I think they've been posted a few different places, perhaps at some point you could post the current pending list? Then pin that thread and we can post additions on just that one thread.

Also... there are already some credits on the list that don't seem to be within reason. "Personal Makeup Artist" as well as "Makeup Artist"?? "Davinci Colorist"? Two version of Visual Effects Supervisor?

Does the software package that the colorist used to produce the episode really need to be identified? :)

Oh, feel free to identify entries that might not belong in the list too. :)

david wrote:
Oh, feel free to identify entries that might not belong in the list too. :)

See my list above.

Also, does <country> Casting count? I think every CW drama has Canadian Casting. Usually with two of the most awkwardly spelled names in Hollywood: Coreen Mayrs (in Canada do they forget the E?) and Heike Brandstatter. I suspect they get paid each time the word "Canadian" is mentioned. :)

If anyone wondered what they looked like...

david wrote:
I'm definitely not against adding more crew positions (As long as they are within reason, e.g. not a "<city> Casting" for each city in the world), but there have been more important things to do.
Keep suggesting them and we'll get to them all at once as soon as there's time.

You really got hung up on this, didn't you. I guess if i didn't have those in the list, the others would have been added ?

I'm with Harnas or Gadfly, if you have the people willing to enter them, where is the harm ? We're here (well not me, again, the tool is too cumbersome, but as soon as it ain't, i will be halping out much more, that I promise)

Gadfly is right about professionals adding themselves on imdb, i have friends who couldn't wait to do their own addition to the site, it's about recognition. So that's the incentive, that you become a site where professionals and not only a casual user who only care about your APIs or calendar come to add themselves. At the beginning, people like Gary Harvey who is a huge honcho in Canada or even Ed Bernero would come to tv.com, see that's the incentive, having big producers or big writers or people who will become those come here and consider this site as a platform. And having met Bernero, he's really a fun person to exchange with.

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Gad, Visual effects and VFX , isn't the latter visual special effects as opposed to pragmatic ones, which would make these two different ? I'm asking because i actually never knew if they were different or the same thing.

For casting : for CW i have seen Casting and Canadian casting, but for other shows, i have seen US Casting (yeah that one has just started to pop up, ties that bind comes to mind), i also had toronto casting and casting, also Supernatural has if i'm not incorrect (and it goes for a lot of shows) : Casting, Canadian casting AND Original casting.

I also see a lot of location casting, Georgia casting, or Atlanta Casting or NY Casting, or even US casting UK Casting and location casting.. etc..

If you have the people willing to add them, i'm not seeing the harm in adding them. You could think of an attribute and use an ISO list for countries/cities to make it easier. That way, you make sure it's not up to the user to add some variation of the same thing and you have a very comprehensive list.

Please just take my reply at face value. There's no conspiracy here, nothing's hung up. There's no need to write walls of text to convince anyone. If there are valid crew types missing, they will be added. It's just not a top-of-the-list priority item.

Tonks wrote:
Gad, Visual effects and VFX , isn't the latter visual special effects as opposed to pragmatic ones, which would make these two different ? I'm asking because i actually never knew if they were different or the same thing.

And here you've just answered the question of why it's not just 1 minute of work to sort this out ;-)

Tonks wrote:

Gad, Visual effects and VFX , isn't the latter visual special effects as opposed to pragmatic ones, which would make these two different ? I'm asking because i actually never knew if they were different or the same thing.

VFX is just an abbreviation of "Visual Effects". Effects = pronounced FX. It's a space-spacing measure, mostly.

david wrote:
And here you've just answered the question of why it's not just 1 minute of work to sort this out ;-)

I don't think anyone is saying that the sorting is. Obviously you don't want to add duplicate positions.

Ideally, put up a master list, let the folks who want to add go over it, pick out the duplicates and such for you, and then add that best-and-final.

Don't forget that there's a separate thread here http://www.tvmaze.com/threads/285/extra-crew-types with people arguing about whether certain crew types are/are not duplicates.

If every user who posted in this and the other thread could - without my involvement - reach a concensus about how the crew type list should look like, I would gladly implement the result afterwards. The work isn't in actually adding the entries to the database, but in researching if the proposed additions/deletions are sane.