I see we have Mark Hamill credited as Luke Skywalker, but not as voice of Luke Skywalker.
Is this alright because the obvious CG character is modeled to look like younger Mark Hamill, or should he be credited as a voice of Luke Skywalker because it isn't real actor but pre-rendered version of it?
@MAT13 wrote:
I see we have Mark Hamill credited as Luke Skywalker, but not as voice of Luke Skywalker.Is this alright because the obvious CG character is modeled to look like younger Mark Hamill, or should he be credited as a voice of Luke Skywalker because it isn't real actor but pre-rendered version of it?
If the real actor was not involved in the screen appearance and just delivered the voice, he should be credited as voiced by in my opinion.
Does he not provide the motion capture for the character too?
@TomSouthwell wrote:
Does he not provide the motion capture for the character too?
I don't think this matters to animated characters here in the acting credits. Animated Star Wars: Clone Wars all have motion capture actors, but we don't credit them in place of characters they motion-acted for, instead we only credit voice-actors.
Bottom line is, it is not live cast used for Luke Skywalker. For Mandalorian we also don't see the face (except in that one episode), but it is same actor (not animated, but live acting) and the voice. Though it's probably much easier to use a stuntman when actor's face is always covered by helmet.
@MAT13 wrote:
I don't think this matters to animated characters here in the acting credits. Animated Star Wars: Clone Wars all have motion capture actors, but we don't credit them in place of characters they motion-acted for, instead we only credit voice-actors.Bottom line is, it is not live cast used for Luke Skywalker. For Mandalorian we also don't see the face (except in that one episode), but it is same actor and the voice. Though it's probably much easier to use a stuntman when actor's face is always covered by helmet.
But were suggesting here that Lukes appearing completely animated. He isn't - what youre seeing is how he looked in the older films, as much as CGI is used, unless any one of us is working on the shows we wouldn't know how animated the character actually is.
@TomSouthwell wrote:
But were suggesting here that Lukes appearing completely animated. He isn't - what youre seeing is how he looked in the older films, as much as CGI is used, unless any one of us is working on the shows we wouldn't know how animated the character actually is.
Luke isn't 100% CG and not real person? He looks young, like in his 20s, the actor Mark Hamill is 70. What we see in the show isn't make-up effect :)
@MAT13 wrote:
Luke isn't 100% CG and not real person? He looks young, like in his 20s, the actor Mark Hamill is 70. What we see in the show isn't make-up effect :)
I am with Mat here, I think mark Hamill was not involved in the on screen appearance.
@JuanArango wrote:
I am with Mat here, I think mark Hamill was not involved in the on screen appearance.
Without knowing how can we just decide that's how we would credit him. Either way his appearance still is in the episode.
@TomSouthwell wrote:
Without knowing how can we just decide that's how we would credit him. Either way his appearance still is in the episode.
you said it "without knowing", it can be either way :) so it is a 50/50 decision :D
He was in the episode. It's all explained in the Disney Gallery episode about the season 2 finale.
For all the action scenes they used a body double, but the rest is him, de-aged using cgi.
Also instead of his real voice they were using synthesized speech to make him sound younger.
@Aidan wrote:
He was in the episode. It's all explained in the Disney Gallery episode about the season 2 finale.For all the action scenes they used a body double, but the rest is him, de-aged using cgi.
Also instead of his real voice they were using synthesized speech to make him sound younger.
ahhh thank you, then this is solved :)
@JuanArango wrote:
ahhh thank you, then this is solved :)
However :) That Gallery was about the Mandalorian. In the co-starring part of the Boba episode in question there's an entry Performance Artist - Jedi by Graham Hamilton. So in this particular case Hamill only provided the voice.
@LouisWu wrote:
However :) That Gallery was about the Mandalorian. In the co-starring part of the Boba episode in question there's an entry Performance Artist - Jedi by Graham Hamilton. So in this particular case Hamill only provided the voice.
thank you :)
I wouldn't be so quick to change anything. Mark Hamill is listed with the rest of the cast, and in a rather prominent position in the credits. There is no note of "Voice of Luke Skywalker" or anything else. I'd leave the listing alone.
Speaking of how is Corey Burton listed, do we have any evidence that he just did voice work for the part?
Cad Bane is also split into voice at the beginning of the end credits (Corey Burton), and "Performance Artist - Cad Bane" (Dorian Kingi) in the co-starring section. See screenshot.
@LouisWu wrote:
Cad Bane is also split into voice at the beginning of the end credits (Corey Burton), and "Performance Artist - Cad Bane" (Dorian Kingi) in the co-starring section. See screenshot.
Same as Mark then we have no evidence of what he actually did for the show, yet he has been listed as voice. Also I don't believe the performance artists should be listed as cast. Thoughts @JuanArango , @RoseRed , @LadyShelley , @Thomas , @gazza911 ?
If I may, since I’ve created those entries…
About Luke, there’s no clear clue of what Hamill’s involvement was. He could have been on set for “static scenes” and leave the “action“ ones to Hamilton, like it was for The Mandalorian episode. Or he just recorded the lines. Or neither: apparently the voice was created digitally, he did not record any lines (source). Nonetheless, he was credited for the role, more for legal and advertising reasons than for actual involvement, but he was. Could we dream of removing this credit? I don’t think so!
About Cad Bane, it’s a bit clearer: Burton has never been a “physical” actor, he has only voiced characters. And Kingi was credited specifically for Cad Bane, not a generic “Jedi” like Hamilton.
There are other examples of double casting, voice + body performance; here’s one. I agree that the credits there are clearer, but still.
Regarding a generic rule about ”Performance artist”: what is an actor, if not a performance artist? In episode 5 of BoBF, Tait Fletcher was credited as Performance artist for the role of Paz Vizsla. Regardless the fact that the voice was his or Jon Favreau’s (like in The Mandalorian), his participation was not much different than Pedro Pascal’s, so why shouldn’t he be credited? So I think they should be credited as well, as co-starring if not otherwise. Maybe could a specific category be added? Doubles and stunt doubles are a bit different since they are not the main interpreter of the role, but I wouldn’t mind if a new category was added for them when they are linked to specific roles like cases similar to these.
In my opinion, we'd need something like we have on guest cast, where you can set 'Credit Only'.
Simply it's not a common scenario where someone who's considered main cast neither directly appeared in it nor directly voiced it.
Could also be a blanket off-screen setting that would apply to any acting except appearance or voice that is done for a role.
I think it's a matter of where he is credited which is with the crew including the stunt doubles. When we added 'stunt double' recently, maybe we should have added 'performance artist'. I don't think we should just pick him out and give him guest cast status.
