The Good Place mislabeled

The episodes have separate writers and guest cast, so the two entries are correct. See http://www.tvmaze.com/faq/15/episodes

Yeah, we've been through this multiple times already.

Screenshots have been added to the first episode's gallery to prove there's separate writers.

Either way, they are 1 episode according to NBC. Which is why last night was episode 6 not episode 7

It is 1 episode according to NBC's website, but they are 2 episodes according to the episode's on-screen credits & NBC's press release. As you can read in our policy, the latter has preference here.

It makes me sad that anything would have priority over NBC's own official website, but I want to take issue with one statement above. It is not true that "The episodes have separate writers and guest cast."

This is a single episode, which is 42:35 with all commercials removed. It contains a single set of opening credits, and a single set of closing credits, so there is no separate guest cast. The nearest commercial break to what presumably would be the episode break IF this were two episodes comes at 19:18, even though the first 2:03 is spent on recapping. So that makes a 17:15 "Chapter 14" and a 23:17 "Chapter 15."

Of the four conditions listed for treating this as two episodes, the one that people are saying applies is, "If there are separate cast- or crew-credits for the two parts," but there are not separate credits for the two parts. There is a single set of opening and closing credits for the episode as a whole, only one list of cast and crew, one director, one set of actors, etc. That single credit sequence does include "Chapter 14 Written By Jen Statsky" and "Chapter 15 Written By Joe Mande," but literally every other possible indicator, including the official guide provided by NBC, say this was season 2, episode 1, "Everything Is Great!" Same day, no break, uneven length, one title, one credits sequence, one director, etc.

Please, don't be the only site that gets this wrong.

pwinn wrote:
It makes me sad that anything would have priority over NBC's own official website, but I want to take issue with one statement above. It is not true that "The episodes have separate writers and guest cast."

This is a single episode, which is 42:35 with all commercials removed. It contains a single set of opening credits, and a single set of closing credits, so there is no separate guest cast. The nearest commercial break to what presumably would be the episode break IF this were two episodes comes at 19:18, even though the first 2:03 is spent on recapping. So that makes a 17:15 "Chapter 14" and a 23:17 "Chapter 15."

Of the four conditions listed for treating this as two episodes, the one that people are saying applies is, "If there are separate cast- or crew-credits for the two parts," but there are not separate credits for the two parts. There is a single set of opening and closing credits for the episode as a whole, only one list of cast and crew, one director, one set of actors, etc. That single credit sequence does include "Chapter 14 Written By Jen Statsky" and "Chapter 15 Written By Joe Mande," but literally every other possible indicator, including the official guide provided by NBC, say this was season 2, episode 1, "Everything Is Great!" Same day, no break, uneven length, one title, one credits sequence, one director, etc.

Please, don't be the only site that gets this wrong.

The problem here is that we need to follow a set of rules, we cannot treat each show differently.

As you mentioned, there are two different writers on-screen credited and as we mentioned the official press release calls it two separate episodes.

Also, official websites change things around very often, they tend to add specials as a normal episode, then a month later it is listed as a special again and so on.

Do not misunderstand me, I get where you are coming from and understand your concern.

Here is a link to futoncritic, a site that only uses press releases and youc an see they also have it as two different episodes.
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/good-place/listings/

cheers

Juan

It makes it confusing when tracking though. Since this is the only place that is labeling it as 2. All shows that have a 2 episode premiere that is considered one according to the network, should be labeled as such here. That way we don't think we're getting the wrong one.

david wrote:
It is 1 episode according to NBC's website, but they are 2 episodes according to the episode's on-screen credits & NBC's press release. As you can read in our policy, the latter has preference here.

Like pwinn said, there were only 1 set of credits, not 2. Even the screenshot posted on the episode page shows that it's 1. If it was 2, when it started it would only have "Chapter 14" then when the second half started it would have had "Chapter 15" but it had "Chapter 14 & 15 showing it was 1 hour long single episode. NBC doesn't have it listed as 2 episodes either only here. Because you have the season premiere as 2 separate episodes, when it was 1, caused the entire second season to be mislabeled.

This has already been discussed enough; the decision has already been made and will not change.

gazza911 wrote:
This has already been discussed enough; the decision has already been made and will not change.

These type of threads are going to be fairly common on here unless the current rules are looked at and some sort of change is made, this week its The Good Place being discussed, a few weeks ago it was You're The Worst, there has been numerous other shows with similar issues, surely the current rules can be improved to stop this type of thing happening. You have the current situation on here with You're The Worst that if you open up each episode in season four the first thing you see on the episode page is the trailer for that episode, but every episode trailer is numbered differently to those on Tvmaze, that just creates confusion and problems.

I'm afraid threads like these will continue to be fairly common regardless of our policy. A lot of people have their minds made up and talk in terms of right and wrong, but it's really always a grey area.

For example, The Good Place. Yes, NBC lists the first two parts of season 2 as a single episode on their website. But, also

- The episode's credits explicitly list it as "chapters 14 & 15", with a separate writer for the two parts

- NBC's press release lists it as "parts 1 & 2"

- NBC's season 2 press release announced that the season will have 13 episodes. But if you count the two-part episode as one, the season will only end up with 12 episodes

- In an interview at http://www.tvguide.com/news/the-good-place-season-2-explained/, the show creator refers to the episode after the two-part premiere as "episode 3"

- So as always, different sites make different choices. For example Wikipedia lists two separate episodes as we do, with the explanation: "The second-season premiere aired as one hour-long episode, but the on-screen titles identified it as Chapters 14 and 15 of the series."

But sure, I'll bite. If you have a better idea for a policy on this subject, let's hear it :)

david wrote:
I'm afraid threads like these will continue to be fairly common regardless of our policy.

Case in point; google the show and you'll find that thetvdb has chosen to list the two parts as a single episode. Over there they have a 3-page forum thread of people arguing that it should be two separate episodes instead :)

Please understand that this issue is impossible to resolve. The best thing I can come up with is that once we support alternate episode numbering (DVD order, etc) we could add a category for "website numbering" so both numbering schemes can be listed.

This reminds me of the American Dad issue which was discussed for years.

david is sadly right, this cannot be solved, if we would change "You're the Worst" and "The Good Place" now, the other half of the community would say why we are doing this as the press release and the creators of the show are saying differently.