Nickelodeon Holiday Specials

It can not be added to our database as it is simply not a series. It was unjustified added (now deleted) as it does not match our requirements for a show according to TVmaze's policy. They indeed have similar cast, but that's because the show exists only out of nick stars from other shows. It is not a continuation (like Sharknado), nick considers them as separate stand-alone, just a very similar format. Therefore as previously been told on your other suggested movies, it will not be considered a series.

I was approved and then I put over an hour into it adding names. That was uncool. And by the way you're wrong. You obviously haven't watched it. The same character Santa's Elves, Kira, etc come back and it is a continuation.

This is outrageous. If you didn't like it you had plenty of time to answer. I posted this tread 2 days ago. Instead you waited until it was approved AND I put hours of work into it. And you obviously haven't watched it!

You could have waited for us to respond. I wasn't able to reach your thread within that time you gave me as I have a normal job too in which internet can't be used. On top of that, you knew the risk of it's being deleted/rejected were high as it is just an imaginary series you requested. It doesn't even have a proper name (using the first title as series is hilarious). I've spoken with others before deleting it and not any of them was convinced it to be one.

Like I said, it consists of nick stars, so it is common for them to appear as a certain character. Doesn't mean it is a continuation.

There were a lot of continuing characters. The nick stars who play fictional versions of themselves were the majority of them. But there was also a unique game show host character, his assistant, and his contestants that came back in the second episode. Same actors. And there was Santa and his three elves that came back in the next installment as well. Again, same actors. So that's 8 characters that continued to the next episode not counting all the nick stars who were playing fictional versions of themselves.

I think you owe me an apology. I waited more than 24 hours for a reply, no one answered. Then at that time I felt that it met the definition of a series, so I submitted an application last night. This morning it was approved and I spent hours working on adding all the stars, special guest stars, and guest stars, with their appropriate character names.

If it wasn't a legitimate series, why was it approved? The show being accepted would seem to be the okay-sign that staff considers it an acceptable show.

Maybe the procedure on approving shows needs to be tightened up?

"I've spoken with others before deleting it and not any of them was convinced it to be one."

What did the person who was convinced it should be one say?

dpratt wrote:
There were a lot of continuing characters. The nick stars who play fictional versions of themselves were the majority of them. But there was also a unique game show host character, his assistant, and his contestants that came back in the second episode. Same actors. And there was Santa and his three elves that came back in the next installment as well. Again, same actors. So that's 8 characters that continued to the next episode not counting all the nick stars who were playing fictional versions of themselves.
I think you owe me an apology. I waited more than 24 hours for a reply, no one answered. Then at that time I felt that it met the definition of a series, so I submitted an application last night. This morning it was approved and I spent hours working on adding all the stars, special guest stars, and guest stars, with their appropriate character names.

I owe you that apology, as I was the one adding it, I only took a quick look at it and saw some characters were the same, my mistake, sorry.

cjheers
Juan

I'm not happy with the way Thomas handled this case, and I'll be sure to let him know.

In everyone's defense; there are a lot of people who can approve shows. Not all of them read every single forum thread within a day, so you would have been better off waiting for a reply before submitting the request.

A lot of the people submitting shows probably don't read every single forum thread either (or even any of them :( ) , so the warning is probably wasted on them. :

And some contributors may never post on the forums first or expect a reply.

Yes, dpratt reads the forums. But if someone approved the show, I can see why he'd think that the show was approved.

Gadfly wrote:
A lot of the people submitting shows probably don't read every single forum thread either (or even any of them :( ) , so the warning is probably wasted on them. :
And some contributors may never post on the forums first or expect a reply.
Yes, dpratt reads the forums. But if someone approved the show, I can see why he'd think that the show was approved.

There is no need to drag this along, I made a mistake and said sorry, let us move on, life goes on and Trump is still president :)

I'd like to see that it doesn't happen again, for the benefit of all our contributors (including myself :) ). It has nothing to do with you personally, Juan: I'm not trying to blame you or anyone.

I know, I just think that we all made our points and even if we all are more careful, a mistake will happen again, as we are humans :)

Gadfly wrote:
I'd like to see that it doesn't happen again, for the benefit of all our contributors. It has nothing to do with you personally, Juan: I'm not trying to blame you or anything.

Thanks for your support. I definitely don't blame Juan. I think the problem here is that Thomas just deleted the series after it was already approved, and after I dedicated my morning to adding dozens of actor and character names to the appropriate categories (around 75 names). And he did so without discussing it with me first, and didn't offer an apology after the fact.

It's also not very clear when a sequel is accepted as a continuation and when it is not. From the context of it, it seems that Thomas deleted this series because each episode is a stand alone as he put it. But a lot of series have stand alone episodes. Even movies like Sharknado don't necessarily require that you see the original to see the sequels. I think not having watched the Nickelodeon specials, he didn't see that they have original characters and story that continue from one episode to the next. And not being someone who enjoys watching specials, he doesn't see the advantage of having them on TVMaze.

The characters again are:

Santa and his elves Tinsel, Jingles, and Carl. Each episode stars the same cast and the same characters with the same names. And takes place on the same set. These are original characters unique to this series of specials.

Also there's Gilbert Palmero, the game show host. This character is also unique to this series of specials. And he appears with the same assistant, and the same contestants in each special, portrayed by the same actors.

On top of that there's the plethora of Nick stars who play fictional versions of themselves. This is all scripted just like any other fictional show, so these also count as return characters.

I think I make pretty strong arguments.

JuanArango wrote:
I know, I just think that we all made our points and even if we all are more careful, a mistake will happen again, as we are humans :)

My thought is if we all made our points and they were addressed, mistakes like this would be less likely to happen. :)

In this case, two things:

1) The people approving shows should be in closer contact with the people who are deciding what a show is. I know you're probably both, Juan. But there seems to be some kind of disconnect here between what is considered a "show" at TVMaze, and what is accepted.

2) If a show is accepted, that's it: it's accepted. First rule of command: if you make a decision, stick with it. If someone points out in future "Well, you accepted Show X but not Show Y, so you should accept Show Y", tell them that Show X is an exception rather than a precedent.

I don't want to argue the merits of whether the show in question is a TVMaze "show": I don't know enough about it. But a lot of work got trashed because of what happened. I don't think it would have been the end of the world if it was left here as a one-off once it was accepted.

Sometimes making a mistake means having to live with the mistake. To me, there were two mistakes made here. The first one--that the show was accepted--is "we are humans." No problem. The second was deleting it once it was accepted. If TVMaze doesn't want to live with the mistakes... tighten up the procedure to avoid the mistakes. :)

Or maybe there should be a 24 hour delay between when a show is approved, and when subs to it can be made.

I think the point Juan is making is that David has already said in this thread that the staff members involved are been spoken to. Juan's apologised. There really is no need for the "discussion" about how staff are handling things to continue in such a way, in front of every member on the site. If you feel like improvements need to be made, then I'd suggest continuing the conversation in a staff forum, as we seem to be going very off tangent about what point dpratt is making in the conversation.

Gadfly wrote:

My thought is if we all made our points and they were addressed, mistakes like this would be less likely to happen. :)
In this case, two things:
1) The people approving shows should be in closer contact with the people who are deciding what a show is. I know you're probably both, Juan. But there seems to be some kind of disconnect here between what is considered a "show" at TVMaze, and what is accepted.
2) If a show is accepted, that's it: it's accepted. First rule of command: if you make a decision, stick with it. If someone points out in future "Well, you accepted Show X but not Show Y, so you should accept Show Y", tell them that Show X is an exception rather than a precedent.
I don't want to argue the merits of whether the show in question is a TVMaze "show": I don't know enough about it. But a lot of work got trashed because of what happened. I don't think it would have been the end of the world if it was left here as a one-off once it was accepted.
Sometimes making a mistake means having to live with the mistake. To me, there were two mistakes made here. The first one--that the show was accepted--is "we are humans." No problem. The second was deleting it once it was accepted. If TVMaze doesn't want to live with the mistakes... tighten up the procedure to avoid the mistakes. :)

If this would be my paid work I would fully agree with you, but this is fun for me around here as I am a TV nerd and although staff is always in contact with each other, such things will always happen again. I agree they should happen very rarely and it is not good that dpratt has worked on this show for nothing.

But as this is a hobby for us all here, such things are unavoidable, we have to live with them.
And to be honest such things do happen not very often around here :)

cheers
Juan