TV mini series that comes TV movies and other cases.

Mandrake wrote 8 years ago: 1

Thomas wrote:
Currently our system does not support straight-to-DVD series as of yet, therefore it would not be able to add them. You are happy to apply it as series once again if you could find the broadcasting channel, however IMDB I do not consider very reliable for series as some series like you said are classed there as tv movies, while they most definitely are series.
However I or any staffmember can not grant you an approval of your request if you do not know the broadcasting channel. Nor would I like you to note that any other staffmember does have more edits to do and can't take all his/her time to figure out all information.
But please, open a new thread if you want to debate this matter. This thread is solely for edit requests.

I continue here. It's not only IMDB, TheTVDB.com has it too. I already did with all information I gave you here. The series I said above, were series at first, but later or in some countries only, distributed as movies and reported as well in literature. Each feeder comes to add an information based on his bibliography, his own collection material or his old magazines & newspaper's stuff he owns. There are plenty of productions that the channels themselves does not have information or channels do not exist anymore, production companies do not exist and there are rights to no one and so on. They are extremely rare to find, but if you want to have a database it's a necessity to start "building" somehow, aren't you? IMDB is the oldest one around and the biggest, in spite of having many feeders, new data comes around from anywhere, so they'll be correct over time. It's not a mistake calling "TV movie" a "TV mini series", because that's what exactly you get from distribution in video or TV. A movie! But the very first entry you ought to create in a database, must be the one that shows the first medium that each production occur. In RetroDB we do both, because a TV series has other characteristics and fields than a movie as: Number of episodes, duration of each one, probably a different intro, outro and music score, probably a different title and of course an episode list with dates, plot in each episode, cast and so on! So we do both and give a hyperlink and explanation in trivia of each entry, leading to the other. We deal this as a different production (explaining of course, that essentially is not!), in his own category.

Mandrake wrote 8 years ago: 1

As for the last you said "However I or any staffmember can not grant you an approval of your request if you do not know the broadcasting channel. Nor would I like you to note that any other staffmember does have more edits to do and can't take all his/her time to figure out all information.", when I asked for help on how to create a request, tnt's exact words were "The form is pretty much self-explanatory, please fill as much info as you have.". That I do! I didn't saw "Broadcasting Channel" as an obligatory field, and in 14 series I requested and you filled out, sometimes I didn't filled any network, on others I couldn't find that network on your database. You found that information was legit and you created them! How's that different in that French mini series that you ask me a network obligingly? If I had that information I would give it to you without a second thought! I made my requests by the book, as you told me. Besides, you might have in mind a different source that I don't. Anyway, I gave you refferences on 3 Wikipedias for three different countries with different sources they had, I gave you ids from IMDB and theTVDB.com, I gave you duration of each episode and air day, I gave you number of episodes, hopping that all that are enough for you to create it. If you want obligatory fields to create an entry, make them do on your system, training feeders to know what they must deal with when they start a request and stop rejecting when we do not have that single information. Just a proposal with no offence, but when we spend our precious time too (not only staffmembers has that privilege), to offer here, you should consider things as that stopping us from the beginning to start such a request. It is the proper way.

JuanArango wrote 8 years ago: 1

The problem is, that a tv station or a web channel is mandatory to add a show, if the show request has none, no problem for me, I am always trying to find the network or channel where it premiered on. But with a few shows I or the one who is trying to approve it sim ply cannot find the network or web channel. Then I usually message the user that he needs to deliver that information to us :)

Mandrake wrote 8 years ago: 1

I already requested web series, spin-offs from "Heroes" TV series, some spin-offs of "24" TV series as web series and so on. I couldn't find the channel they belong, I don't have the episodes with me (even if I had them right in front of me, how could I prove my words to stuff when the ask me only IDs of two known databases and those productions are not there?), so I submitted them without a network, giving all other information I have, but they founded by them (or "you", I don't know if you're just a member) and accepted. I don't even know that information that you just gave about creating an entry, because there are no instructions in forum or when I asked for them, tnt didn't informed me further. Because of that problem you say, I insist that obligatory fields MUST be created in the request form, don't waste time of feeders nor stuff members to reject them.

Another proposition is to deal with that ID error that comes when someone tries to resubmit a request. By Thomas' mistake, he rejected that French/Finnish TV mini series I requested in the previous, and could not use again IMDB ID as a proof of it's existence to resubmited it, when by a dialog between us that misunderstanding arose. I noted that of course on "Comments about the request" and gave thetvdb ID too.

Also, there are some channels that this database don't have at all. In that case what I'm supposed to do? I noted that in comments in a series I requested. I couldn't find "tvN" network! The entry of "The Three Musketeers" was created and I can see now there was already that channel! http://www.tvmaze.com/networks/280/tvn I didn't found that though, I checked twice...

deleted wrote 8 years ago: 1

Let me tell you that those ID's given by tvdb and imdb are not there to proof the existence of series as tvdb is a database kept up to date like us by users (so there is a chance that some shows over there are not series according to our policy or slipped through their security check). IMDB is utter bullshit when it comes about series, however those ID's are there for different reasons. The channel tvN has already been created a very longtime ago, but did you check it under it's correct country? Or did you check in webchannels instead of network? Cause I am pretty sure the fault is on your side.

As to your previous question, all of us staffmembers are willing to invest some time to find out on what channel it did premiere on if information is not fully provided in which 90% of the times we manage to track down the channel it premiered on, however those other 10% we can reject if no such data can be found. You can submit it again, but if you provide as much information as you gave in your previous request, the likelihood of it's being canceled is pretty high and in our current situation, we can't provide you with a system which would allow straight-to-dvd, VHS or OVA's.

WilliamWade wrote 8 years ago: 1

Mandrake wrote:
Another proposition is to deal with that ID error that comes when someone tries to resubmit a request. By Thomas' mistake, he rejected that French/Finnish TV mini series I requested in the previous, and could not use again IMDB ID as a proof of it's existence to resubmited it, when by a dialog between us that misunderstanding arose. I noted that of course on "Comments about the request" and gave thetvdb ID too.
Also, there are some channels that this database don't have at all. In that case what I'm supposed to do? I noted that in comments in a series I requested. I couldn't find "tvN" network! The entry of "The Three Musketeers" was created and I can see now there was already that channel! http://www.tvmaze.com/networks/280/tvn I didn't found that though, I checked twice...

The networks (e.g. tvN) are in the database under "Korea, Republic of" which is another name for South Korea.

Mandrake wrote 8 years ago: 1

Of course the fault is on my side for checking! I think I admitted that! I just pressed "T" and checked all those networks I saw at first, without searching further for countries... "IMDB is utter bullshit when it comes about series" you say, but it's the third field of IMDB's ID you ask from us the as a "dabatase for series". That is somewhat contradictory you know. Besides that, if IMDB wasn't there from the beginning, not any database should be gigantic till now. I speak as a 12-year feeder on that one. It tries to manage every video production there is on the planet, not only series or anime or shorts, or documentaries, or TV shows, that's why it has and should have mistakes, but it doesn't stopped adding/correcting data as you're not in here or anywhere. Do you have even the slightest idea what does it take to build such a monster with data from scratch? I do as a feeder there for those years, or RetroDB from February of 2010 seeking crumbs of information left and right, in old magazines/newspapers, my own archive and other collector's collaboration too, seeking in related bibliography, web archives of some newspapers and so on. It is nearly impossible even consive the idea of starting such a database from scratch on a global web, without any other referrence anywhere, asking for members to contribute. Before my time, members were sending e-mails to IMDB, for submitting information. I have to say that I quit on feeding last year, because I had to do with arrogant snobs that does not want really to feed their database with proper information (on some genres it was my subject and "TV mini series"), I started a thread and from the answers obtained I finally realized with what persons I dealt with all these years. At least there's that conversation for other feeders to see by themselves and judge. I tell you this to understand that I'm not tryin' to support IMDB, just some things must be called by their name. We have worked very hard to get IMDB where it is today and nobody can question our effort to accomplish this. Even for a mediocre feeder like me.

About your system I just made a suggestion informing you that there are video series out there, as well, with a fair number of productions, decades now. Didn't force you to do anything! Just enlighten you to be not confussed by all that, assuming it's possible to be created such categories in the future, because it's just other production companies and distributors. In one case the distributor is the company of each other, in the other case just another company outside TV neworks. Nothing more, nothing less nor a big difference in implementation, only that in these episode lists date of release should be at the same day for each episode, if such production was released on VHS stores and DVD stores in a day and not as a gift by a newspaper/magazine, that might take some weeks/months to be completed. If you cannot, you simply cannot! Suggestion still remains, because you have the platform to do so and there will be great, adding more information about video history! You do already a great job here! :)

P.S. WilliamWate thank you for your information! Next time I'll do that properly! :)

gazza911 wrote 8 years ago: 1

Just to make sure everything is understandable:

If the network is not on TVMaze, ask for it to be added in the Edit Requests thread.

Network (or Web Channel) is required to add a show. If you don't provide it then we will try to find it ourselves. If we can't find it then we will ask you again or simply reject it.

IMDb ID can be given, but it is not a reliable source of information. We might look at it and try to verify their information; the more information you provide, the easier it is for us to confirm it.

The easiest way to make sure a series is added is to provide an official website or news article that confirms it is a series.

Mandrake wrote 8 years ago: 1

Thanks for your info gazza911! I already requested some Hellenic networks! If there is not any other source, I'll give you only IMDB or our Hellenic database (retrodb.gr) for further info. It's very difficult to scan whole books or TV magazines to give you proof, as you can understand...