Hey folks,
would like to get your opinion on this.
I suggested to david that we simply change all shows on those channels to year based season numbering, as they are often showing several seasons at the same time.
Or would it be more wise to do this show based and not do it for all shows of those networks?
cheers
Juan
Sounds a bit dangerous to me to blindly do it for *all* of their shows. Are we sure there aren't some (perhaps older) shows that do have proper seasons?
I agree with David on this one. Shows should by standard be seasonal and only be changed to year-based on those specific shows that doesn't specify seasons, or when it's too impossible to determine the correct season order (like airing multiple seasons at the same time etc.)
MTQueenie wrote:
I agree with David on this one. Shows should by standard be seasonal and only be changed to year-based on those specific shows that doesn't specify seasons, or when it's too impossible to determine the correct season order (like airing multiple seasons at the same time etc.)
+1
The problem is not only with simultaneously running seasons. I wouldn't say for all of the Scripps' shows, 'cause I didn't check them all, but there's a couple of things I can say for sure:
a) most of the shows I've checked are airing episodes in the order, different from the episode numbers (based on their own episode guides).
b) most of the shows that airing 2 episode per night crossing the seasons. Which means, the seasons are being aired back-to-back, and on the day they're airing current season finale and next season premiere, the premiere would be aired first.
c) most of the shows that have aired two (or even three) seasons simultaneously were not started like this. The practice of mixing the seasons is usually came around 7th-8th season. Which means a lot of work to renumber a hundred of episodes.
There's about 250 shows only on HGTV and DIY combined. Food and Cooking have about 300 altogether. Travel channel alone have more than 200. There's no way someone could check them all :D
tnt wrote:
The problem is not only with simultaneously running seasons. I wouldn't say for all of the Scripps' shows, 'cause I didn't check them all, but there's a couple of things I can say for sure:a) most of the shows I've checked are airing episodes in the order, different from the episode numbers (based on their own episode guides).
b) most of the shows that airing 2 episode per night crossing the seasons. Which means, the seasons are being aired back-to-back, and on the day they're airing current season finale and next season premiere, the premiere would be aired first.
c) most of the shows that have aired two (or even three) seasons simultaneously were not started like this. The practice of mixing the seasons is usually came around 7th-8th season. Which means a lot of work to renumber a hundred of episodes.There's about 250 shows only on HGTV and DIY combined. Food and Cooking have about 300 altogether. Travel channel alone have more than 200. There's no way someone could check them all :D
Thats why I say to put them all to year based numbering :)
MTQueenie wrote:
I agree with David on this one. Shows should by standard be seasonal and only be changed to year-based on those specific shows that doesn't specify seasons, or when it's too impossible to determine the correct season order (like airing multiple seasons at the same time etc.)
+1 Changing from a Season based numbering to a Yearly base just to shoehorn problematic series into a system that has trouble handling them is not, IMO, the way to go. Are they a pain? Absolutely! But, tossing another way of tracking these shows into the mix could end up making TVmaze part of the problem for those who are trying to keep track of what shows they have and what they are missing. The answer is fix the system, not break the patient. ymmv
You don't solve a problem by creating a new problem :).
We already do too much year-based. My wife's syndicated programming she watches has definite season-based episodes (and are in summer reruns now). I'm way too familiar with 'Rachael Ray', for example, from entering them into TVDB for metadata of the episodes that I record for her and then move into Plex after commercial removal. Here, however, those get placed into year-based numbering despite having distinct seasons.
Just like TVDB has already decided not to depend on Scripps websites for Scripps shows - TVMaze can do that also. But there are other ways to determine 'new' and 'season' other than show websites. Just like I do for the syndicated shows to get proper season/episode numbering - a combination of Gracenote/Nielsen source with website is usually enough to sort through upcoming episodes. It may also mean that entries for Scripps should be entered by people who actually follow the programs. (A practice that should be a bit more widely adopted anyway).
eherberg wrote:
We already do too much year-based. My wife's syndicated programming she watches has definite season-based episodes (and are in summer reruns now). I'm way too familiar with 'Rachael Ray', for example, from entering them into TVDB for metadata of the episodes that I record for her and then move into Plex after commercial removal. Here, however, those get placed into year-based numbering despite having distinct seasons.Just like TVDB has already decided not to depend on Scripps websites for Scripps shows - TVMaze can do that also. But there are other ways to determine 'new' and 'season' other than show websites. Just like I do for the syndicated shows to get proper season/episode numbering - a combination of Gracenote/Nielsen source with website is usually enough to sort through upcoming episodes. It may also mean that entries for Scripps should be entered by people who actually follow the programs. (A practice that should be a bit more widely adopted anyway).
+1001
eherberg wrote:
It may also mean that entries for Scripps should be entered by people who actually follow the programs. (A practice that should be a bit more widely adopted anyway).
I doubt that we would have so much as 10% of our database if we'd rely only on people who actually watching the shows. It's more or less working with the major mainstream shows, but that's it.
Specifically on Scripps – we have about 1000 of their shows. How many are you familiar with?)))
Considering that Scripps themselves doesn't seem to give a two shits about accuracy and integrity of their data – we could only adapt the scraps they gave us so it would fit our policy, pure and simple.
It seems that you're one of the rare contributors who familiar with those shows, so if you're volunteering to bring them to order – I'm sure no one will object :D
