Frontier Season 3

I don't know if this impacts the choice, but at the end of the Bell release last year there is a long list of people who are Executive Producers from various companies, but not one is from Netflix. Of course there is the "Netflix is the international broadcast partner." sentence in there. I guess the question is what sort of partner are they? A we chipped in directly to produce this show partner or a we paid a license fee to air it partner? I have to think, though I could be wrong, that if they are a contributing partner that someone in Netflix would have gotten an EP credit.

This, as well as so many other shows, is why multiple air dates is, IMHO, a vital enhancement that TVmaze needs in implement.

To your question, logically I say use Netflix dates but, per policy, I think it may be the Canadian dates unless a deeper involvement by Netflix is shown to exist.

ymmv

Here's an off the wall suggestion ... why not use both dates? Let the Netflix dates be used since they occur first and then, if the decision is to use Discovery dates, alter them down the road when the show finally airs on Discovery. Put a note in the Wiki as to whats what and that way you may serve the most people the best way possible while still sticky, ultimately, to current policy.

TVmaze policy has to, IMHO, not just be about the data but how that data is used to best serve the users of the web site. Sticking to Canadian dates serves aprox. 35 million people vs over 7 billion others worldwide ... the good of the many outweighs to good of the few. ymmv

Yeah, I prefer to the second option myself. I will be watching it on NF and I'd like to have it in the watchlist and vote for episodes. But first I'd like to hear from TPTB, since it's a direct violation of the policy.

Alternate dates would help of course, but there's a fat chance that we're getting it anytime soon. It have less votes than "relations between the shows" feature, which is not implemented yet.

I think this is probably one of those where at the start it will say "A Netflix Original", like it does with so many other foreign shows they get the rights to show.

tnt wrote:
Yeah, I prefer to the second option myself. I will be watching it on NF and I'd like to have it in the watchlist and vote for episodes. But first I'd like to hear from TPTB, since it's a direct violation of the policy.

But it's not a violation of policy ... it is an error that is caught and corrected a couple of months from now ... that's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)

And it's exactly as I've predicted, someone already added the episode.

Since no one seems to care enough to answer, I'll change the show to Netflix for the time being, since it seems like the most logical thing to do.

tnt wrote:
And it's exactly as I've predicted, someone already added the episode.

Since no one seems to care enough to answer, I'll change the show to Netflix for the time being, since it seems like the most logical thing to do.

I agree :)

tnt wrote:
Yeah, I prefer to the second option myself. I will be watching it on NF and I'd like to have it in the watchlist and vote for episodes. But first I'd like to hear from TPTB, since it's a direct violation of the policy.

Alternate dates would help of course, but there's a fat chance that we're getting it anytime soon. It have less votes than "relations between the shows" feature, which is not implemented yet.

You mean because it could potentially clash with the Airdate Owner policy right? FWIW, I wasn't in favor of that one but literally everyone else disagreed :(

As it's currently written, the policy already states "If a show has a single unambiguous owner throughout its lifetime". In this case it is ambiguous, so that would plead for using the world premiere dates as you've done. Any thoughts on how to make the wording more clear are welcome.

Also, I have to reiterate that alternate airdates are not the holy grail that everybody thinks it is. Even if we had perfect and complete support for alternate airdates, for the vast majority of usecases - at the very least all non logged-in users - we'd have no clue which of the various dates the user would prefer, so we have to decide which ones to show by default. None of these discussions would go away.

david wrote:
You mean because it could potentially clash with the Airdate Owner policy right? FWIW, I wasn't in favor of that one but literally everyone else disagreed :(

As it's currently written, the policy already states "If a show has a single unambiguous owner throughout its lifetime". In this case it is ambiguous, so that would plead for using the world premiere dates as you've done. Any thoughts on how to make the wording more clear are welcome.

Here lies the problem. It is unclear who do we consider an owner? The entity producing (or ordering/paying for) the show, or the entity that have merely a broadcast rights? Because in this case Netflix is latter, but not the former. It owns global streaming rights, but do not own the show itself, and not participating in production, at least not in any obvious way.

If we clear this, we would make our life easier :) Recently Netflix premiering a lot of local shows globally ahead of the local premiere, and every time we discuss this matter. Maybe we should decide this once and for all? At least for Netflix/Amazon, if they premiering the season way ahead of original network.

david wrote:

Also, I have to reiterate that alternate airdates are not the holy grail that everybody thinks it is. Even if we had perfect and complete support for alternate airdates, for the vast majority of usecases - at the very least all non logged-in users - we'd have no clue which of the various dates the user would prefer, so we have to decide which ones to show by default. None of these discussions would go away.

They would not probably, but they will decimate. Many arguments have a tone like "why do we have Australian airdates for a Canadian show?" Which would stop being an issue, once we'll be able to have both Australian and Canadian airdates.

Let the user decide, which dates he want to see in any particular case. At least on the level local/global premiere, where local would be country of user's choice. And a master setting for the show, accessible by high ranked contributors, which set the default set of airdates for the show. Or we could simply use the earliest premiere as a default.

david wrote:
Even if we had perfect and complete support for alternate airdates, for the vast majority of usecases - at the very least all non logged-in users

I always assumed we'd have the existing as the defaults.

In other words, by airdate would be default and anything else is secondary.

tnt wrote:
Let the user decide, which dates he want to see in any particular case. At least on the level local/global premiere, where local would be country of user's choice. And a master setting for the show, accessible by high ranked contributors, which set the default set of airdates for the show. Or we could simply use the earliest premiere as a default.

I like this idea. Have a profile setting for country default or if no default is selected, automatically the default becomes earliest airing.

gazza911 wrote:
I always assumed we'd have the existing as the defaults.

In other words, by airdate would be default and anything else is secondary.

It seems that you've confused this for this :D