British TV/General Discussion

@solar wrote:
Thanks  dee  ......   on the Ridley  ' Riddle '    lol  .  Don't  know about  DI  Ray .   The little racism digs ,  referring to  that one  who  addressed her as  DS  instead of  DI  and  when  Ray  corrected  her  she got all huffy and  reported her ,  thought her Super was gonna suspend  her  for it.   Apart from that , thought it dragged  along  until that guy and her were shot in the doorway which looked like under the direction of her white boyfriend.  Will keep watching but seems to go up and down .

The finale also explains all. SPOILER? She made a lovely duo with PS Khatri. Martyn was a wanker. I hope there is a season two.

BTW, I empathize because I had a female manager who coddled her male employees but not we females. One peer used to sit in her office expressing her displeasure loudly (we loved standing outside the door listening), I simply did my job and didn't play politics. When the department moved to a 'hub' out of state, I was left behind! I was finally asked to retire aka fired because I didn't play politics with my last manager. P.S. It hasn't changed at this company, I hope today's young females are treated better. From the storylines of these shows, it doesn't seem so.

solar, there is another two part episode and it is explained. If there is another season, I hope it's better than this one

There's another two part episode! I didn't realize it, Deedee, okay... a chance to redeem from that last. 

Yes Solar, interest definitely peaked as to why Ridley keeps visiting him when he was the one who caused the death of his wife and daughter. There is something there, the guy in jail alluded to it in an earlier episode. There has to be, who could endure continually seeing the person whom killed your family and destroyed your life, if the story was not deeper. I (think) I remember it was because he set the house on fire (or maybe a car - someplace/thing - not sure what, as it has all been sketchy up to now) with the intention of hurting/killing Ridley and instead his family was killed. 

I thought the way the Super handled the situation with the policewoman (looked to be patrol/office level) was ridiculous. Those exchanges are considered bullying someone?!  Ray was short with her based on her feeling that the slights were intentional, but no way came (anywhere) close to intimidating or bullying. Makes a mockery of those cases where people are truly being intimidated and bullied. The Super definitely has it in for Ray, that should never have gone up the chain, of course every complaint must be followed up on, but the Super should have dealt with the situation herself and noted it in the file.  She knew that this was not a case of bullying, yet she took advantage of it though to get at Ray. I too Solar, thought she was going to suspend her. 

I was quite surprised that Ray got involved with the police relations officer - when she kissed him I was thinking "oh boy" where are we going with this. Well, we found out quickly. The fact that she let that evolve told me that she is not sure about the fiance - then we see him (the fiance) directing the guy the police were looking for (that was involved in the people smuggling/drug ring) to shoot them?!  He (the shooter) was the one who was was responsible for those people dying in the truck (remember that was what the police were told by the driver before he was run over). He had to be the one who did that... or may be it was the fiance who ran the truck driver over? 🤔

In any event, it looks like the fiance is not quite what he seems - he's a people trafficking, drug boss. Dear Lord, you can't trust anyone. But, this story is now getting good, it is going in a completely different direction than I would have imagined.

Deedee, I had to deal with both political and office politics most of my career - I too would not participate and was not a team player with any of it. It didn't always make me the most loved individual by those in my own organization, but I made friends everywhere outside of it in my   professional world. If you needed help with something people knew I would take the time to listen, ride above the political agenda for that day, and pitch in if I could. It was those relationships that kept me afloat. I don't miss any of it. Retirement is a wonderful thing!

I should probably make it clear that I am making a leap from what we saw in the last episode (this was the third episode, Dee) to state that the fiance is involved (top of the heap I am supposing at the moment) in the drug ring/cartel. We don't know that for sure as yet - I didn't read it anywhere, just going on what I saw and where I think it is going. Yes Deedee, DS Kahtri is a lovely person. Ray came out of her shell when she was with him.

Retirement is a wonderful thing!

Ain't it though, Brit? 

I hope there is at least the same caliber of shows in store in the near future on the PBS's. Wait, it seems there are costume dramas and Unforgotten, no thank you to both, Van Der Valk (not until September), Annika (not until October), (did you know that is an Oxford comma, how cool is that??) and Moonflower/Magpie Murders, no air date. It's going to be an arid summer on PBS. Let me guess, they'll have 2 or 3 programs of bad music that get interrupted by people looking for money, though. Ah well, can't give up streaming just yet!

First, Solar I have been meaning to tell you I am really enjoying S3 of "Designated Survivor". I didn't think, because the on-going story was going to be about the campaign, that it would still hold my interest at the same level as the previous two seasons. Absolutely has! As you said, I am going to miss it when I finish this season, one more would have been perfect. 

I forgot to DVR "Ridley" last night, so I missed it. I will catch up tonight with PBS On-Demand.

"Grantchester" was okay - I skipped over last week's episode, wasn't interested, but caught last night's and watched the whole thing. You all know I am not fully invested in the series... so far though, the two episodes I have seen (this season) weren't bad. For me, that is a positive statement. 🙂

Now "Di Ray"...  what the heck was that ending!? The racism runs so exceptionally deep - that was wrong on every level. So, when the series comes back for a second season we are starting with a whole new crew (except for Ray)? 

Yeah Brit  ...   Designated  Survivor  is a  winner all right, enjoy.   

As for Ridley .....     He attends the funeral  of a women who's son killed his  wife and daughter .   OOOOOK  , so the  Ridley - Riddle   continues  ....   I am staying tuned.  All I'm saying for now until ya get caught up. 

@BritMystery wrote:
 

Now "Di Ray"...  what the heck was that ending!? The racism runs so exceptionally deep - that was wrong on every level. So, when the series comes back for a second season we are starting with a whole new crew (except for Ray)? 

whole new crew (except for Ray)? .........? whole new crew? Man, these shows are not keeping my interest. I only remember that Ray gave in her badge at the end.

Grantchester. So a new vicar and no Geordie or Mrs. M or Leonard in the house next year? 

@deedee713 wrote:
whole new crew (except for Ray)? .........? whole new crew? Man, these shows are not keeping my interest. I only remember that Ray gave in her badge at the end.

Grantchester. So a new vicar and no Geordie or Mrs. M or Leonard in the house next year? 

Ray didn't give in her badge in the end they took it from her. She was told by the Head Super/Commisioner (the older man) that she was not "ready" to lead a team - they had may a mistake in thinking she was - and dismissed her from the job clarifying that they only originally gave her lead on the investigation because of the sensitive ethnicity issues surrounding it.  

We all know everything he said, except for the part where the only reason they brought her in on the investigation was because of her ethnicity, was a load of bunk - just excuses to get rid of her because they didn't want her in their precinct. 

So she left and presumably will wind up at another locale next season with a new crew of people unless they conveniently get rid of the present Commissioner and bring her back. 

The whole thing was a total kick in the face to her.

Re: Grantchester... I understood that there would be only a change of Vicar next season and everyone else was coming back.

I forgot to add in my previous comment... Again with Geordie's issues with the wife working!? Are we going to continually beat that drum? Will he never learn.

I don't have the same feelings as most about that marriage - they keep forcing it back, but it never feels on solid ground to me. They both should have moved on long ago. To me, he should have stayed with the girlfriend and she should have moved on with her career and her life. She has everything going for her and would have accomplished much and eventually found  a supporting partner if she chose to marry again. 

Co-parenting would have kept both the characters in the series and the stories would have been much more interesting as we watched her rise up the ladder at work and go on to lead a fulfilling life. I understand though that the times and expectations of women were different than today. She's such a lovely person, I wish they would have given her a chance to really sprout her wings.

I am finding I am becoming less and less of a fan of Ridley as time is moving on with the series. I take exception with the callous way he spoke bout Eve Marbury at the beginning of this episode, in fact, I didn't care for the entire discussion he and his club partner, Annie (Julie Graham) had regarding her. That woman came with no other agenda but to find her brother, the horror of the facts of that case led to her circumstances, and although tragic and wrong her intent was never to kill. The lack of understanding and compassion on both their part's in speaking about her left me with an unsettled feeling. 

The writers seemed to want to just move on from it, but I think they would have been better off had they not mentioned it at all this episode.

Beyond that, I am finding him overly aggressive and kind of running roughshod over people in his line of questioning. His police partner is certainly feeling the same way. He was out of line several times and apparently it doesn't read with him and/or he doesn't care. I expect more from a seasoned professional.

Solar, the more we see of the past the more I have questions about what really happened. We now know that Michael Flannery (the guy in prison) was his informant that he outed (after assuring him he would not). I guess that is where the" you owe me" statement from early on in the series comes from. 

That, I am assuming, led to the actions that caused his wife and daughter's death. I am now thinking maybe it wasn't Micheal who set the fire, but the criminals that Michael was involved with (the ones that left the flowers at the grave). 

Obviously Ridley is holding Michael responsible. We will find out why in the next part, but I am thinking that either he was not the one who set the fire...or if he did, he was forced to (by them) to get to Ridley. Remember, Ridley did say previously that he was the intended target.

Yes Brit  ,  this  Flannery  business  seems to be at the heart of this series , lurking in the background , throwing out little tidbits of information along the way.  Well .. it will all come out Sunday . I 'm  thinking it's gonna be something so far out in left field  that we haven't thought  about.  At least I hope it will be and not some lame ending like a balloon with the air coming out of it. We'll see.  

Been watching  Collateral  ( 2018  Netflix )  with   Nicola  Walker  ....   series opens with the murder of a  London  Pizza delivery man  ....  now who would kill a pizza delivery man ????   ...  held my interest from the start .  Nicola wears a clerical  collar  ( not sure what she does ) but is not above using four letter words . (  strange  combo )   Nasty bunch ,  drug smugglers ,  people smugglers ,  in and out of  London . 

@solar wrote:
Yes Brit  ,  this  Flannery  business  seems to be at the heart of this series , lurking in the background , throwing out little tidbits of information along the way.  Well .. it will all come out Sunday . I 'm  thinking it's gonna be something so far out in left field  that we haven't thought  about.  At least I hope it will be and not some lame ending like a balloon with the air coming out of it. We'll see.  

Been watching  Collateral  ( 2018  Netflix )  with   Nicola  Walker  ....   series opens with the murder of a  London  Pizza delivery man  ....  now who would kill a pizza delivery man ????   ...  held my interest from the start .  Nicola wears a clerical  collar  ( not sure what she does ) but is not above using four letter words . (  strange  combo )   Nasty bunch ,  drug smugglers ,  people smugglers ,  in and out of  London . 

Yes, a good one! I've seen it twice (a year or so apart) and enjoyed it even more the second time! I figured you already watched, so I didn't mention it. I've been looking for another good one, haven't found anything thing yet, but when I do I will definitely pass it on.

Well ,  I found this ep. of  Ridley  somewhat  underwhelming  ....  since this Flannery  business   was  an  underlying  theme  I expected or hoped  the explanation  would be  far out in left field  or some brilliant plot twist where  I could say well  , ' I didn't expect that '   ...   but  no  it was a brother  lying for and covering up for a brother  (  like this has never been done  before )   ....  air out of a balloon conclusion .  I knew he was gonna sing in this ep. ..  because he didn't sing in the last and he finishes  up every case with a song.   To close out with  that song comment ...  there was a point  where I was gonna throw something at the TV  if I heard  that line one more time   ' open up the door '.  Will watch any future Ridleys but it is not a top level show .    What's next ?? 

That was hilarious, wasn't it solar? I guess in the minds of the writers it was 'happily ever after'? I pity Annie if he's the best she can do.

Speaking of all tied up in a neat bow, I found Grantchester just wonderful. Oh no, wait, I didn't.

But, last but not least, sadly WLIW thinks women want to see shows like Our House in 2023. Yesiree, I want to see yet ANOTHER show where the husband gaslights the wife. Yesiree.  I will look at the last episode on Passport and if the husband isn't given his just deserts, I will not be happy. Oh no, wait, I will throw something at the teevee.

Wow. 

Underwhelming is a kind way to describe that finale episode, Solar. No more am I going to get myself all enthused about Mystery's new offerings because I only wind up disappointed (Anthony Horowitz 's "Magpie" being the only exception). 

During the previous episode I had a flashing moment where I thought "It was the brother! Flannery is covering for his brother!" It went in my head, and then quickly out of it, so I went in to the finale completely forgetting that thought. I should have held on to it, cause that is where we wound up - the entire series we were thrown all these red herring moments of seeing the sinister Michael Flannery and in the end none of it was true. 

I thought they did a nice wrap up with the ending, agree Solar about the "Open Up the Door" - Dear Lord, enough already. Deedee, you also thought Annie has a thing for Ridley! I have the same feeling, although I don't think it is reciprocated in quite the same way (yet). Wasn't she the wife's best friend?

I am done with this series, I really have come not to like the Ridley character - it started out fine, but ended up that way for me,  so I think I will pass on any future episodes. 

I haven't got to "Grantchester" yet, Deedee, I will though just to see it out. Hopefully things take an upturn with the new vicar next season. I have a feeling he will bring some much needed life to a series that has become stale. 

Okay, what do we have next? Nothing until early September. I am going to give "Unforgotten" a go; I have read good things, I really like Sunny, and to be honest I don't really care that Nicola is gone. Cassie's personal story was starting to drag on the show and Nicola is everywhere these days, so plenty of opportunities to see her in other things. If it doesn't float my boat, I'll just move on.

Yes, Brit, Annie mooned over Ridley when he went gaga for the singer. She had a bad feeling about her, as we all did, but Ridley the DETECTIVE was clueless. And yes, she was the wife's best friend. 

I hope Grantchester improves, the pairing of the vicar with that woman was cringeworthy.

I didn't like the cheap way they got rid of Cassie, she was already moving away (I think), no need to kill her off. Oh well, hopefully some other shows will come back. Only one I saw that I like is The Chelsea Detective.

Oh, and no need for me to suffer through the last episode of Our House, the reviews are brutal. One example, on the finale:  'this brainless TV drama needs bulldozing'. I love it when I'm right.

@deedee713 wrote:
Yes, Brit, Annie mooned over Ridley when he went gaga for the singer. She had a bad feeling about her, as we all did, but Ridley the DETECTIVE was clueless. And yes, she was the wife's best friend. 

I hope Grantchester improves, the pairing of the vicar with that woman was cringeworthy.

I didn't like the cheap way they got rid of Cassie, she was already moving away (I think), no need to kill her off. Oh well, hopefully some other shows will come back. Only one I saw that I like is The Chelsea Detective.

Oh, and no need for me to suffer through the last episode of Our House, the reviews are brutal. One example, on the finale:  'this brainless TV drama needs bulldozing'. I love it when I'm right.

   I love it when I'm right.

😊😊

I totally agree with you about Cassie's ending. The only thing - I think I mentioned this at that time - I watched Nicola's interview after the finale episode and she clearly said that she had direct input in to how Cassie was going to exit the show and she told them she wanted a dramatic ending - moving away in to the sunset was not what she wanted. She was totally on-board with her dying in the car accident as it brought the level of emotional drama she wanted. No one was going to forget her exit and of course, everyone talked about it for ages.

I viewed Nicola a bit differently after watching that interview as her choice was more about her ego than anything else. I figure if she could move on so callously from her character, then so could I.

I re-watched the first episode of "The Chelsea Detective" last night as Prime is once again running the first season as part of their monthly sample shows. That is how I watched it the first time. Good show! I am sorry to hear that they are changing his partner in the second season 'cause I really like them together. 

her choice was more about her ego than anything else - I guess I forgot you spoke about that at the time - fie on her, then. I still don't like the looks of the new dame in Unforgotten. I might be wrong. I was once.

I am sorry to hear that they are changing his partner in the second season - sigh - guess I wasn't paying attention, yes you are correct. Do these actors think one series a star makes and move on accordingly? They should google David Caruso. And then follow John Thaw's lead.

@deedee713 wrote:
her choice was more about her ego than anything else - I guess I forgot you spoke about that at the time - fie on her, then. I still don't like the looks of the new dame in Unforgotten. I might be wrong. I was once.

I am sorry to hear that they are changing his partner in the second season - sigh - guess I wasn't paying attention, yes you are correct. Do these actors think one series a star makes and move on accordingly? They should google David Caruso. And then follow John Thaw's lead.

 

   I might be wrong.  I was once.

  They should google David Caruso.      And then follow John Thaw's lead.

  Boom! Deedee, you are on a roll!  😅

  Let me know how the new partner    works out.

Been watching a series  called   SAFE  ( 2018  Netflix  )  with that guy who played Dexter ,  Michael C. Hall .  Also in this series  is  Marc  Warren  (  that leprechaun  guy  who plays Van der Valk .    Don't know if he's a good guy or bad guy , his character is not fully out  yet  but he looks sinister  with head almost shaved .  He just has that look about him.   

@solar wrote:
Been watching a series  called   SAFE  ( 2018  Netflix  )  with that guy who played Dexter ,  Michael C. Hall .  Also in this series  is  Marc  Warren  (  that leprechaun  guy  who plays Van der Valk .    Don't know if he's a good guy or bad guy , his character is not fully out  yet  but he looks sinister  with head almost shaved .  He just has that look about him.   

Solar, checked out the preview, looks to be a scary one. Is it? 

Btw, I finished "Designated Survivor" and I kind of wish I didn't see the finale episode. Everything was blown-up, all that work to get to that point up in flames. It seems they were expecting another season and left things in a mess - so much so, that it almost looks impossible to overcome the campaign issues now in place. The next would have been a downer of a season, one I wouldn't have enjoyed watching. I have come to really dislike Emily, she caused so much of what happened. 

Yes, the Pegasus computer spyware was so wrong, but it was she that got that whole ball rolling with her concern over the campaign manager - she opened a can of worms and there was no way to possibly put that back in to the jar once opened. She didn't trust Lorraine, but she also was jealous of her influence over Kirkland. Her motives weren't coming from a totally pure place. And, to put the Dontae in the situation she did was unconscionable. You don't let someone else do your dirty work and then go tell them to get a lawyer when everything goes bust. What she did to his life was so wrong. She did not even consider the consequences for him when she told him to look through Lorraine's computer. 

I find her to be naive and myopic in her view, sometimes you have to look at the big picture - as much as the ends shouldn't justify the means, we are handed difficult choices on life and there are times you have to choose the lesser of two evils.