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The Outpost Season 4 air dates


KenF posted 2 years ago

There seems to be a discrepancy between the air dates listed for the Season 4 episodes and the dates they aired on my local CW network station.  Were the listed air dates preliminary or were they aired on different dates on my local network?  They aired as follows on my network:

Episode   Airdate

S4E1      Sorry I missed this one but was most likely 07/15/21

S4E2      07/22/21

S4E3      07/29/21

S4E4      08/05/21

S4E5      08/12/21

S4E6      08/19/21

S4E7      08/26/21

S4E8      09/02/21

S4E9      09/11/21

tnt posted 2 years ago

Our airdates are correct, the show is airing Thursdays @9:00 PM


KenF posted 2 years ago

If you check the dates I listed are Thursdays with the exception of 09/11/21.  The date listed for episode 9 is 09/09/21 but there was no episode on my network on that date.  Instead, it aired on 09/11/21.

tnt posted 2 years ago

It aired on Sep 9th


KenF posted 2 years ago

OK Thanks for checking.  It didn't are until last night 09/11/21 on my network.

Scooby Doo character question


MAT13 posted 2 years ago

Hey, can you please take a look at this guest cast and tell me it's the right way to do it...

https://www.tvmaze.com/episodes/225685/scooby-doo-where-are-you-1x06-what-the-hex-going-on

...in series like these where some character disguises as another is it okay to credit them as single character?
In Scooby-Doo that is regular case since always some character is impersonating a ghost or a monster, etc..

So you can see I credited John Stephenson as Ghost of Elias Kingston, but it is actual Stuart Wetherby (who is played by the same voice-actor) who is impersonating that ghost. I included all character photos with descriptions, but treat them as a single character. Included ghost's name as primary so it wouldn't appear as a spoiler on the main page. Is this alright or should I split them even though they are literally the same person?

tnt posted 2 years ago

Looks ok to me. You can ask @TomSouthwell though, to get a second opinion, he worked a lot more with animated shows.


TomSouthwell posted 2 years ago

Quick question though @MAT13 is that how the main characters are named in the credits? I dont watch the Scooby shows now, but Im not sure they would be credited with their full namss even if we know these are their names away from the series. 


MAT13 posted 2 years ago

No, in many of such shows all the actors are credited, but none of the character names are listed anywhere. Not even for main cast. And they are all credited in the end credits.

So there is a single page where you have "Cast" and listed all actors. There is no way to know which actor played who unless you go dig through other dedicated sites that have it.

For side characters and their actors I used this as a source as it mentions all characters that appear - https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/What_the_Hex_Going_On%3F

Note that when all actors are just listed by names (similar to Castlevania series) we often just add "Additional Voices" instead of a character name when you can't tell which actor is doing voice for which character. But when you can tell, then they can be credited.

As for the side characters' names, they can be heard or seen when you watch the episode as they refer to each other by name. For those that aren't mentioned by name, one can get more generic name by what they represent (i.e. Sheriff, Waitress, Hotel Manager, etc.).


MAT13 posted 2 years ago

One other thing, sometimes in Scooby-Doo episodes, there are two different actors playing the same character. Is there a way to add two characters for a single character in a single episode? For example one character may be the voice of a human character, and another actor voice of a ghost or monster which is human character in disguise.

The only way to credit them both is two have each credited under their own personas even though they're for the same character. Would that be the right way to do or is there an alternative way to handle this better?


TomSouthwell posted 2 years ago

If the reveal is that the ghost was a human all along then they should both be linked to the ghost character and the human name added as an aka I think but @tnt may be able to answer this better? 

Im not sure we should have the characters full names added if they are never called that in the show either. I think Scooby Doo should only ever be called Scooby Doo and if he's called Scoobert in an odd episode then we would add that as an aka. 


MAT13 posted 2 years ago

I noticed many character names here have this syntax: NAME "NICKNAME" SURNAME. I thought that is sort of the norm on this site. I didn't add SD's main cast that way, though I may have followed that syntax on occasion instead of adding abbreviated name/nickname under AKA.

Can I get out of the doghouse yet?

GeorgeFergus posted 2 years ago

You banned me 10 months ago because I was one of the people who screwed up in trying to make sense out of how to handle Undercover Boss Celebrity Edition.

tnt posted 2 years ago

Maybe, I'm not sure I remember.

Connecting He-Man / She-Ra shows...


MAT13 posted 2 years ago

Could you please connect all these shows together.

He-Man and the Masters of the Universe - https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/4230/he-man-and-the-masters-of-the-universe

This show above should be parent show to:

- The New Adventures of He-Man - https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/20276/the-new-adventures-of-he-man

- He-Man and the Masters of the Universe - https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/4231/he-man-and-the-masters-of-the-universe

- Masters of the Universe: Revelation - https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/43428/masters-of-the-universe-revelation

 

Dunno how we mark spin-off series, perhaps just connect it by Franchise?

If so, to main show you should in that way connect:

- She-Ra: Princess of Power - https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/9172/she-ra-princess-of-power

 

And that should should be a parent show of:

- She-Ra and the Princesses of Power - https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/37089/she-ra-and-the-princesses-of-power

 

There is also this show...

- He-Man and the Masters of the Universe - https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/45488/he-man-and-the-masters-of-the-universe/gallery

Is this a duplicate of Revelation or is Netflix doing another animated He-Man show in parallel? I found it on their page but the page was pretty empty. But if this is correct show, then it too should probably have original He-Man marked as Parent show.

 

If I am wrong about all this and there was a reason why none of these shows are connected, then please disregard this message.

tnt posted 2 years ago

We will check the relations and add them if it makes sense.
Considering Netflix - yes, they are doing two animated He-Man shows. Revelation is being developed by Kevin Smith, and it's a sequel to the classic series. The other one is being developed by Rob David, and it's a reboot. 


TomSouthwell posted 2 years ago

Hey @MAT13 besides having the same featured characters for what reason would these shows need to be linked? A show isn't franchised just because they feature the same characters. 


MAT13 posted 2 years ago

@TomSouthwell How can two anime with same title and same setting and same characters not be part of the same franchise? They can either be a prequel/sequel (directly story-connected), reboot (which can be entire new story and way of telling the same or completely different story) or remake. Either of which makes them part of the same franchise. At the very least they're part of the same group, but do we have grouping system of some kind here?

I can see that story-wise there's a big difference with them and some can be like reimagined way of telling a new story with same two main characters, but still, it seems to be part of "He-Man" or "Masters of the Universe" series to some degree.

https://www.he-man.org/cartoon/index.php?type=1


TomSouthwell posted 2 years ago

I would look at the airdates etc as a starting point. Spider-man for example has animations dating back to the 1980s, different production companies made each series with Marvel only making connected series with overlapping characters etc in the early eighties, then the nineties and then again in the noughties, these are clearly linked with overlapping cast, crew and story elements. I'm not sure how a He-Man series from the 80s would share any of those elements with a show made 30 years later. Unless Netflix is specifically saying the shows are interconnected or that the show is a reboot of the original 80s show. I would say none of these shows would need to be connected unless they hit the criteria that the network is saying they need to be, that cast/crew and or production is exactly the same. Its not like we would link every series of Scooby Doo together because an IP like that will continue to be rebooted over and over and over again. The list of relations would be never ending. 


MAT13 posted 2 years ago

Well, I am not sure about all but Netflix's "Masters of the Universe: Revelation" is supposed to be direct sequel to the original series from 1980s. If that proves true at least those two should have connection.

She-Ra from 1980s is a spin-off but there are movie specials that feature both He-Man and She-Ra, since she's his (twin) sister. Sort of how we have Xena and Hercules shows related because their stories too crossover in some episodes. But if He-Man / She-Ra specials wouldn't count, then they would not appear connected since their stories take place on different planets if I'm not mistaken. I would still think they share franchise.

tnt posted 2 years ago

@MAT13 franchise relationship has some requirements, does they met for these shows? Sharing cast and crew is one of them.
Franchise
A show that's closely related to an existing show; because they share a similar name and premise, (main) crew or cast members portraying the same character, cinematic universe, and/or a continuous storyline. This relation only applies when the similarities are present for the majority of the show's run; an occasional "crossover episode" between two shows that otherwise share no similarities does not warrant creating a show relation.
https://www.tvmaze.com/faq/14/show-extras

Perry Mason question for TV movies


MAT13 posted 2 years ago

Hi, I will add movies as Specials. But with the new system, when we mark something as "Significant Special" (which these movies obviously are), it needs to be tied to a specific season, and putting them all in last season just wouldn't seem right since they're 30 years apart.

Would it be alright to add one more season and then add all those movies as significant specials for that season?

Or would simply marking them as "Insignificant Special" be preferable here so they appear at the bottom?

tnt posted 2 years ago

Just add them to the last season for a time being. Thanks :)


MAT13 posted 2 years ago

Okay, added all 30 movies (26 with Raymond and 4 more that were part of the series but released after his death).

There are some characters that appear as main cast across most of those movies, but seeing how these are all specials, do we treat all actors there as "guest cast" or can some new main cast be added under "main cast" even if they are main for what is now part of the specials only?

Thanks!

PS: Also found out there an Ironside TV movie which was also released after series so will add that one as special as well, under Ironside TV series, of course (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107951/).

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