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ArvidBaa wrote 3 years ago: 1

@LouisWu wrote:
The pilot https://www.tvmaze.com/edit/model?episode_id=1507803&page=1 
and season 2 finale episodes https://www.tvmaze.com/edit/model?episode_id=1770421 
of Star Wars Resistance have been split in 2 parts (again), by the same inexperienced user
Can you fix and lock those, please?

 

 

@Nivekolsen wrote:
Fixed - I can't lock the episodes or block the user from editing, so someone else will have to do that! @tnt @JuanArango 

I was just wondering why the pilot episode was not split into two parts and found out that it is deliberate. Why is this? The official schedule list the episode as a two-part episode, with unique episode numbers and names ("The Recruit: Part 1" and "The Recruit: Part 2"). See the following archived links on the official schedule:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190116041708/https://www.disneyabcpress.com/disneychannel/shows/star-wars-resistance/episodes/the-recruit-part-1/

https://web.archive.org/web/20191012032650/https://www.wdtvpress.com/disneychannel/shows/star-wars-resistance/episodes/the-recruit-part-2/

https://web.archive.org/web/20190116040642/https://www.disneyabcpress.com/disneychannel/shows/star-wars-resistance/episodes/

I understand that the episodes aired back-to-back on the premiere, but there is no question that they were always two individual episodes.

The episodes are still listed as separate episodes in Disney+.

 

The final episode, although currently listed as a two-part episode on Disney+, was however originally listed as a single episode (however with double numbering), see the following archived link:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200229102928/https://www.wdtvpress.com/disneychannel/shows/star-wars-resistance/episodes/the-escape-2/

 

/ArvidBaa


TomSouthwell wrote 3 years ago: 1

Two-part episodes can cause contention on whether they should take up a single episode number, or two separate consecutive episode numbers. If this happens, refer to the order of the valid sources as listed above and note that on-screen indicators are considered the primary official source and trump anything else. A few examples:

If the two parts air on two separate days, two separate episodes should be created.

If there is a break between the two parts, two separate episodes should be created. Examples of a break are credits or titles appearing on screen for a second time; or a voice-over introducing the second part.

If there are separate titles (even if the only distinction is "Part 1" versus "Part 2") for the two parts, two separate episodes should be created.

If there are separate cast- or crew-credits for the two parts, two separate episodes should be created.

In all other cases, it should almost definitely be a single entry/episode number. Only if on-screen indicators are unavailable or inconclusive, the other valid sources should be considered in their respective order. Note that DVD numbering should never be considered. Production codes as found on official sites or in press releases can be used as an indicator, but specifically do not trump the on-screen indicators listed above.

As explained at the time the episodes are listed according to the data policies. It doesn't matter if a streaming service is now splitting the episode in two. We list the episode how it was originally aired when it premiered. 

ArvidBaa wrote 3 years ago: 2

@TomSouthwell wrote:
As explained at the time the episodes are listed according to the data policies. It doesn't matter if a streaming service is now splitting the episode in two. We list the episode how it was originally aired when it premiered. 

Is this a response to my question regarding the pilot episode for Star Wars Resistance? If so, then the pilot should be split in two, since the official schedule from the time of the premiere lists two episodes with unique episode numbers and names ("The Recruit: Part 1" and "The Recruit: Part 2").

If there are separate titles (even if the only distinction is "Part 1" versus "Part 2") for the two parts, two separate episodes should be created.

 

If you did not reply to me, I apologise for squeezing in.

 

/ArvidBaa


TomSouthwell wrote 3 years ago: 1

@ArvidBaa wrote:
Is this a response to my question regarding the pilot episode for Star Wars Resistance? If so, then the pilot should be split in two, since the official schedule from the time of the premiere lists two episodes with unique episode numbers and names ("The Recruit: Part 1" and "The Recruit: Part 2").

 

If you did not reply to me, I apologise for squeezing in.

 

/ArvidBaa

Yes, sorry, my bad. @JuanArango since you worked on the episodes, any insights? 


JuanArango wrote 3 years ago: 1

@TomSouthwell wrote:
Yes, sorry, my bad. @JuanArango since you worked on the episodes, any insights? 

I checked the episode again, it is ONE single episode that runs 43 minutes and has ONE credit block, so according to our policy it is ONE ep :)

ArvidBaa wrote 3 years ago: 1

@JuanArango wrote:
I checked the episode again, it is ONE single episode that runs 43 minutes and has ONE credit block, so according to our policy it is ONE ep :)

For my personal understanding, is "credit block" the same thing as what is referred in the guideline as

Data shown on-screen during the episode's announcement, intro, or credits

?

How can I find this credit block information regarding this particular episode, since all available streaming services today has the episode split in two parts (and, if I understand correct regarding credit blocks, there are also two credit blocks, one for each part)?

 

I must also say that even if the credit block might be pushing towards one episode for the pilot, the overwhelming amount of official sources referring to the pilot as a two-part episode, does that have no value at all? I have official Disney and Star Wars sources dating back even to the days surrounding the premiere, that all refer to the episode as a two-part episode. In no case (except for the credit block that I am still curious about) is the episode referred to as a one-part episode. Does the credit block really have this much weight that it trumps any and all other sources from the same time?

 

/ArvidBaa


JuanArango wrote 3 years ago: 1

@ArvidBaa wrote:
For my personal understanding, is "credit block" the same thing as what is referred in the guideline as

?

How can I find this credit block information regarding this particular episode, since all available streaming services today has the episode split in two parts (and, if I understand correct regarding credit blocks, there are also two credit blocks, one for each part)?

 

I must also say that even if the credit block might be pushing towards one episode for the pilot, the overwhelming amount of official sources referring to the pilot as a two-part episode, does that have no value at all? I have official Disney and Star Wars sources dating back even to the days surrounding the premiere, that all refer to the episode as a two-part episode. In no case (except for the credit block that I am still curious about) is the episode referred to as a one-part episode. Does the credit block really have this much weight that it trumps any and all other sources from the same time?

 

/ArvidBaa

the thing that holds the most weight here is, how did the episode FIRST air, did it air as one ep or as two parts, I cannot figure that out anymore to be honest.

ArvidBaa wrote 3 years ago: 1

@JuanArango wrote:
the thing that holds the most weight here is, how did the episode FIRST air, did it air as one ep or as two parts, I cannot figure that out anymore to be honest.

I feel like I am starting a long conversation about understanding, so please tell me if these questions are better suited somewhere else, but how is it determined if an episode is a two-part episode or a single episode, if they air back-to-back? I read the guideline

Data shown on-screen during the episode's announcement, intro, or credits

but I do not know how to interpret this. Would a two-part episode that have been edited to seamlessly play together need to be introduced as "NAME, part 1 & 2" or similar, or is it necessary with some kind of cut in the middle, announcing part 2, or does it need to be end credits half way, or can it be announced only in a joint end credits?

I did not watch the premiere of Star Wars Resistance, so I do not know how it was announced. All I can refer to at this time is the surrounding sources, which all refer to the pilot as two distinct episodes with unique production numbers and names.

 

/ArvidBaa


JuanArango wrote 3 years ago: 2

@ArvidBaa wrote:
I feel like I am starting a long conversation about understanding, so please tell me if these questions are better suited somewhere else, but how is it determined if an episode is a two-part episode or a single episode, if they air back-to-back? I read the guideline

but I do not know how to interpret this. Would a two-part episode that have been edited to seamlessly play together need to be introduced as "NAME, part 1 & 2" or similar, or is it necessary with some kind of cut in the middle, announcing part 2, or does it need to be end credits half way, or can it be announced only in a joint end credits?

I did not watch the premiere of Star Wars Resistance, so I do not know how it was announced. All I can refer to at this time is the surrounding sources, which all refer to the pilot as two distinct episodes with unique production numbers and names.

 

/ArvidBaa

If an episode has two title cards or two credit blocks, distinguishing the two parts, then it will be treated as two episodes. If there is only one title card or one credit block (which is the fact of the 43 min episode) we will treat it as one episode.

It does not matter where the two credit blocks or two title cards are, they can be separating the episodes, they can be at start or at the end.

ArvidBaa wrote 3 years ago: 1

@JuanArango wrote:
If an episode has two title cards or two credit blocks, distinguishing the two parts, then it will be treated as two episodes. If there is only one title card or one credit block (which is the fact of the 43 min episode) we will treat it as one episode.

It does not matter where the two credit blocks or two title cards are, they can be separating the episodes, they can be at start or at the end.

Ok, I have in the meantime been able to watch the episode in (at least what I assume) the original version, and with my limited experience I could not find anything to counter the argument to keep it as a single episode. However, I have two follow-up questions.

1. Is it possible to convince TVMaze to change the Guidelines and allow changing e.g., episode numbering, after a show has aired if other sources overwhelmingly argue for (in this example) another numbering?

2. Since the production codes for all consecutive episodes continue the numbering after 102, (i.e., 103, 104, et.c.), the official numbering of the episodes actually goes 1/2 (or even only 2) for the pilot, then 3 for the "second/third" episode, et.c.. How weird would it be if TVMaze adapted the same numbering system? This would align the numbering with the current split of the pilot, while still allowing the pilot episode to be kept as a single episode. Perhaps it could even be possible to have double numbers for episodes?

 

Again, I am drifting away from the original discussion, so please inform me if I should move the discussion elsewhere.

 

/ArvidBaa

fli718 wrote 3 years ago: 1

Hi, can someone please change the airtime of this episode of the Amazing Race from 20:00 to 21:00 It Can't Be That Easy - The Amazing Race S33E02 | TVmaze? It's two episodes on the same night according to the press release, so I figured it would be easier to differentiate that way. Sorry if it caused any confusion. Thanks for your help!

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