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JuanArango wrote 4 years ago: 1

@CosmicHowl wrote:
The titles are from wowpresentsplus.com, which is the streaming service owned by World of Wonder, the production company that produces Drag Race and its franchises and they give titles to every Drag Race episode, not generic numbers. As they make the programme and release it on their streaming service at the same time as national broadcasters surely that information would take precedence?

We are right now sticking our heads together to make a decision on this :)

EDIT: The above information led us to the decision that it is fine to use episode titles for this one. :)

tnt wrote 4 years ago: 1

@JuanArango wrote:
We are right now sticking our heads together to make a decision on this :)

EDIT: The above information led us to the decision that it is fine to use episode titles for this one. :)

The same is true for Drag Race UK or any other similar shows. There's no point in holding to meaningless generic names if one of the producing entities has episode titles that make sense. This does not apply to situations when the names are given by any source not involved in the production of the show.


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blackcat2021 wrote 4 years ago: 1

Hi, question regarding https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/7709/vanderpump-rules-after-show It says there are 12 episodes, but actually there are many more (clips of 2-3 min. for many episodes spanning 5 seasons - multiple parts/episode) https://www.bravotv.com/vanderpump-rules-after-show The official website does not have air-date for those.
So, the question is: should this be considered a show? (There are a lot of other videos "Passport" "Behind the scenes" that are not added even as special)


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JuanArango wrote 4 years ago: 1

@blackcat2021 wrote:
Hi, question regarding https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/7709/vanderpump-rules-after-show It says there are 12 episodes, but actually there are many more (clips of 2-3 min. for many episodes spanning 5 seasons - multiple parts/episode) https://www.bravotv.com/vanderpump-rules-after-show The official website does not have air-date for those.
So, the question is: should this be considered a show? (There are a lot of other videos "Passport" "Behind the scenes" that are not added even as special)

Do I understand this correctly? If we should keep the Rules After show or not?


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Nivekolsen wrote 4 years ago: 1

@tnt wrote:
The same is true for Drag Race UK or any other similar shows. There's no point in holding to meaningless generic names if one of the producing entities has episode titles that make sense. This does not apply to situations when the names are given by any source not involved in the production of the show.

@JuanArango @tnt 

Last time I asked about Drag Race UK I was given a very clear answer that we should use generic titles from BBC, rather than the titles used by WOWPP, just want to make sure that for both drag race uk & drag race down under (and any other franchise of the show) we should use the titles from WOWPP rather than generic ones?


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TomSouthwell wrote 4 years ago: 1

@Nivekolsen wrote:
@JuanArango @tnt 

Last time I asked about Drag Race UK I was given a very clear answer that we should use generic titles from BBC, rather than the titles used by WOWPP, just want to make sure that for both drag race uk & drag race down under (and any other franchise of the show) we should use the titles from WOWPP rather than generic ones?

Surely this is what the alternate list feature should be used for with the alternate dates for WOWPP. BBC explicity don't use episode titles, would be a strange decision to suddenly allow it. I'm pretty sure during that conversation it was pointed out even the streaming premiere doesn't actually feature the title anywhere, it's just used on the listings on the platform. 


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JuanArango wrote 4 years ago: 1

@TomSouthwell wrote:
Surely this is what the alternate list feature should be used for with the alternate dates for WOWPP. BBC explicity don't use episode titles, would be a strange decision to suddenly allow it. I'm pretty sure during that conversation it was pointed out even the streaming premiere doesn't actually feature the title anywhere, it's just used on the listings on the platform. 

ok, let me open a new thread for it, so we can  decide on this finally. :)


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blackcat2021 wrote 4 years ago: 1

@JuanArango wrote:
Do I understand this correctly? If we should keep the Rules After show or not?

Yes, my point is that "Vanderpump Rules After Show" is not a show and should be deleted. It's just a collection of extra clips (those are not episodes: runtime 2-6 min, no air-date) for episodes from 5 seasons (out of 8) from "Vanderpump Rules". Does not exist on futon critic (but some websites list it with 12 eps. ... I really don't know from where)
Option 2: Is to consider it a show and add all the extra clips from https://www.bravotv.com/vanderpump-rules-after-show  as episodes.

tnt wrote 4 years ago: 1

@blackcat2021 wrote:
Yes, my point is that "Vanderpump Rules After Show" is not a show and should be deleted. It's just a collection of extra clips (those are not episodes: runtime 2-6 min, no air-date) for episodes from 5 seasons (out of 8) from "Vanderpump Rules". Does not exist on futon critic (but some websites list it with 12 eps. ... I really don't know from where)
Option 2: Is to consider it a show and add all the extra clips from https://www.bravotv.com/vanderpump-rules-after-show  as episodes.

I'm genuinely curious where this idea came from? Does this really look like a clip from the regular episode to you? https://www.bravotv.com/sites/bravo/files/media_mpx/thumbnails/bravo-video.nbcuni.com/image/NBCU_Bravo/895/966/200317_4134299_The_Award_to__Best_Best_Man__Goes_to_Tom_San.jpg

It has nothing to do with the episodes of the main show. It's a typical aftershow, discussing the events of the main show. It is shot separately, in the format of a talk show, which is said in the show's description:
Lisa Vanderpump, Jax Taylor, Lala Kent, Scheana Shay, Stassi Schroeder, Tom Sandoval, Tom Schwartz, and the entire cast is breaking down each episode of Vanderpump Rules! Watch the After Show as they dish on the drama at SUR.

The fact that its full episodes are not available now, and Bravo offers them divided into clips, should be ignored. And obviously, we do not add partial clips to the database, we list only the episodes.

The only thing that should be changed about this show is its source. It is a digital series, available only on Bravo's website, not broadcasted on the network. You can check the dates here, for example: https://www.nbc.com/vanderpump-rules, but in general, the after show episodes were streamed right after the premiere of the regular episode, same day.


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blackcat2021 wrote 4 years ago: 1

@tnt wrote:
I'm genuinely curious where this idea came from? Does this really look like a clip from the regular episode to you? https://www.bravotv.com/sites/bravo/files/media_mpx/thumbnails/bravo-video.nbcuni.com/image/NBCU_Bravo/895/966/200317_4134299_The_Award_to__Best_Best_Man__Goes_to_Tom_San.jpg

It has nothing to do with the episodes of the main show. It's a typical aftershow, discussing the events of the main show. It is shot separately, in the format of a talk show, which is said in the show's description:
Lisa Vanderpump, Jax Taylor, Lala Kent, Scheana Shay, Stassi Schroeder, Tom Sandoval, Tom Schwartz, and the entire cast is breaking down each episode of Vanderpump Rules! Watch the After Show as they dish on the drama at SUR.

The fact that its full episodes are not available now, and Bravo offers them divided into clips, should be ignored. And obviously, we do not add partial clips to the database, we list only the episodes.

The only thing that should be changed about this show is its source. It is a digital series, available only on Bravo's website, not broadcasted on the network. You can check the dates here, for example: https://www.nbc.com/vanderpump-rules, but in general, the after show episodes were streamed right after the premiere of the regular episode, same day.

Thank you very much for your info!

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