@MAT13 wrote:
Sounds good. New Frost character should probably have a description mentioning that just in case people may wonder why is she named like that or split at that point :)
Yeah, I had the same thought, so already did that :)
It's probably a bit spoilery, but you can't explain it otherwise.
So, shall we leave Caitlin as "Caitlin Snow / Killer Frost", or move Killer Frost to AKA?
@tnt wrote:
So, shall we leave Caitlin as "Caitlin Snow / Killer Frost", or move Killer Frost to AKA?
It's been on there for this long, don't think it'd hurt to keep it now... but like I said before, even having a super name for a character that didn't have/receive/reveal their powers/identity in their first appearance is spoilery for any newcomers.
@kevin87 wrote:
It's been on there for this long, don't think it'd hurt to keep it now... but like I said before, even having a super name for a character that didn't have/receive/reveal their powers/identity in their first appearance is spoilery for any newcomers.
Well then, if it's to avoid spoiler in early seasons then it's better to just keep Killer Frost as AKA.
Because that is the same reason why Kate Kane name was moved to AKA for Circe Sionis in second season of Batwoman, to avoid spoilers by looking at list of characters in the episode without going into detail of each.
@MAT13 wrote:
Well then, if it's to avoid spoiler in early seasons then it's better to just keep Killer Frost as AKA.Because that is the same reason why Kate Kane name was moved to AKA for Circe Sionis in second season of Batwoman, to avoid spoilers by looking at list of characters in the episode without going into detail of each.
Then you will need to do this for most of the others as well. (Cisco, Ralph, most of the Welles, etc).
This is why before we start making wholesale changes, I really think we need to put together a policy that covers all of these shows, so they are consistent across the board, not one show here and another one over there, and a third is left alone.
@LadyShelley wrote:
Then you will need to do this for most of the others as well. (Cisco, Ralph, most of the Welles, etc).This is why before we start making wholesale changes, I really think we need to put together a policy that covers all of these shows, so they are consistent across the board, not one show here and another one over there, and a third is left alone.
Cisco, I could see, but apart from the big Harrison Wells/Reverse Flash reveal (which I think should be an AKA due to the nature of the mystery) there's not much of a reason to change the Wells names, they're just saying what Earth they're from, so it wouldn't seem totally correct to not distinguish how they're different. Didn't Ralph have his powers in his first appearance though?
There's also a little bit of common knowledge aspect going on with comic book shows, they're based on the comic characters that have mostly been around decades so some are obviously going to get powers somehow. So it's not a simple black and white answer with what to include and what not... so we definitely needs some guidelines.
@kevin87 wrote:
Cisco, I could see, but apart from the big Harrison Wells/Reverse Flash reveal (which I think should be an AKA due to the nature of the mystery) there's not much of a reason to change the Wells names, they're just saying what Earth they're from, so it wouldn't seem totally correct to not distinguish how they're different. Didn't Ralph have his powers in his first appearance though?There's also a little bit of common knowledge aspect going on with comic book shows, they're based on the comic characters that have mostly been around decades so some are obviously going to get powers somehow. So it's not a simple black and white answer with what to include and what not... so we definitely needs some guidelines.
Ralph has his powers in the first episode because he was one of the bus people the team was tracking. He doesn't become a member of the team or gain his hero name until much later. He's a bit of a grey area, I admit. :)
While on the topic of The Flash cast of characters, we have Iris Ann West-Allen...
https://www.tvmaze.com/characters/2294/the-flash-iris-ann-west-allen
...which is her full name here, but isn't that sort of a huge spoiler?
I mean, in first season she had a different boyfriend (or fiancé, I forgot) and Barry haven't even told her how he felt about her, and much later on they got together and eventually got married.
So, shouldn't this name be her AKA name and only Iris Ann West as her primary name to keep off the spoiler?
@MAT13 wrote:
While on the topic of The Flash cast of characters, we have Iris Ann West-Allen...https://www.tvmaze.com/characters/2294/the-flash-iris-ann-west-allen
...which is her full name here, but isn't that sort of a huge spoiler?
Let's keep it reasonable, shall we? Or else we could consider anything beyond episode summary a spoiler. Many Wellses - spoiler, Wally West / Kid Flast - spoiler, Nora West-Allen - spoiler etc. Hell, even Barry Allen did not have his powers when he first appeared, so maybe let's keep The Flash out of his name as well?
Having them listed like this doesn't reveal, how, or when, or any specific plot twist for that matter.
We're discussing now a separate policy for comic book-based shows, so let's leave that topic until we have something plausible.
@tnt wrote:
Let's keep it reasonable, shall we? Or else we could consider anything beyond episode summary a spoiler. Many Wellses - spoiler, Wally West / Kid Flast - spoiler, Nora West-Allen - spoiler etc. Hell, even Barry Allen did not have his powers when he first appeared, so maybe let's keep The Flash out of his name as well?
Having them listed like this doesn't reveal, how, or when, or any specific plot twist for that matter.We're discussing now a separate policy for comic book-based shows, so let's leave that topic until we have something plausible.
Okay, but perhaps having names as they were introduced / changed chronologically would make sense.
So if character starts with some name and is originally credited as such. When they change the name in subsequent episodes, those names could go under AKA.
For example, in "I Dream of Jeanie" main actor is credited and referred to as "Capt. Anthony Nelson". Sometime later in the show he gets promoted to a Major and so his name changes to "Maj. Anthony Nelson". In term of chronology, his primary name should remain "Capt. Anthony Nelson" with "Maj. Anthony Nelson" as AKA name.
So if Iris West was original character (chronologically presented in the show), makes sense to use that as her primary name and add any subsequent as AKAs.
With Barry Allen AKA Flash, it's okay to keep both "Barry Allen / Flash" because he was Flash from the episode 1. He didn't become Flash after 15 episodes or in season 3.
Debate with other staff until you reach the consensus, but just wanted to give this "chronological preference" as my 20 cents for the topic at hand. If/when you guys come up with some permanent idea, let me know :)
@MAT13 wrote:
Okay, but perhaps having names as they were introduced / changed chronologically would make sense.
So if character starts with some name and is originally credited as such. When they change the name in subsequent episodes, those names could go under AKA.
The Flash 1x01. Grant Gustin credited as Barry Allen. The first time he's credited as The Flash is 1x04.
For example, in "I Dream of Jeanie" main actor is credited and referred to as "Capt. Anthony Nelson". Sometime later in the show he gets promoted to a Major and so his name changes to "Maj. Anthony Nelson". In term of chronology, his primary name should remain "Capt. Anthony Nelson" with "Maj. Anthony Nelson" as AKA name.
I such cases we usually keep the name only and list the different ranks as AKA. For example https://www.tvmaze.com/characters/4850/the-last-ship-tom-chandler
At least that's what we decided at some point if memory serves. And it seems logical because the name doesn't change.
So if Iris West was original character (chronologically presented in the show), makes sense to use that as her primary name and add any subsequent as AKAs.
With Barry Allen AKA Flash, it's okay to keep both "Barry Allen / Flash" because he was Flash from the episode 1. He didn't become Flash after 15 episodes or in season 3.
Again, Barry was just Barry Allen from the beginning, in his first appearance and in press release credits of the first 3 episodes. So we either keep the original name or we don't, without overcomplicating this with any additional conditions or reservations.
Debate with other staff until you reach the consensus, but just wanted to give this "chronological preference" as my 20 cents for the topic at hand. If/when you guys come up with some permanent idea, let me know :)
We consider many different things, but the fact that different shows treat the same things differently doesn't make it any easier. The main problem is that they don't credit characters on-screen, except co-stars.
Anyway, the result would be a new policy, so you will know :)
@tnt wrote:
The Flash 1x01. Grant Gustin credited as Barry Allen. The first time he's credited as The Flash is 1x04.
I am not sure that it matters when someone was credited under some name in the show, but when he was known to be that character by watching the show at that point. If he was hit by the lightning in episode 1 and got super speed, anyone watching episode 1 can assume he is The Flash even if they don't immediately start calling him that. This was what I meant chronologically, because credits don't often mention roles just actors' names for main cast.
@MAT13 wrote:
I am not sure that it matters when someone was credited under some name in the show, but when he was known to be that character by watching the show at that point. If he was hit by the lightning in episode 1 and got super speed, anyone watching episode 1 can assume he is The Flash even if they don't immediately start calling him that. This was what I meant chronologically, because credits don't often mention roles just actors' names for main cast.
I hope you do understand that this is absolutely subjective, right? You think like that, I think differently and both our opinions have equal weight. Needless to say, at some point, there's definitely some new show will appear where this principle won't work for some reason :D
So unless it is properly explained in the policy, this discussion is endless as much as pointless :)
@tnt wrote:
I hope you do understand that this is absolutely subjective, right? You think like that, I think differently and both our opinions have equal weight. Needless to say, at some point, there's definitely some new show will appear where this principle won't work for some reason :D
So unless it is properly explained in the policy, this discussion is endless as much as pointless :)
True, true.
LOL, sorry, just remembered an old funny commercial - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJmqCKtJnxM
Oh man, with these DC series, lol.
So, while watching season 6 of Legends of Tomorrow, I realised Sara Lance dies in midway and was replaced by clone. But I see we don't have cloned version of her credited but still credit her.
I know this could be spoiler for anyone looking that far ahead in the series, but isn't this incorrect to credit a character that is dead and doesn't really exist past certain point in order to try and prevent any spoiler?
PS: I last watched episode 6 and 7, so if they reverse this theory and resurrect old Sara Lance, then all is fine. But we should still credits Caity Lotz as Sara Lance's Clone in episodes where she plays dominant character (or if from now on she will replace dead Sara Lance), no?
@MAT13 wrote:
Oh man, with these DC series, lol.So, while watching season 6 of Legends of Tomorrow, I realised Sara Lance dies in midway and was replaced by clone. But I see we don't have cloned version of her credited but still credit her.
I know this could be spoiler for anyone looking that far ahead in the series, but isn't this incorrect to credit a character that is dead and doesn't really exist past certain point in order to try and prevent any spoiler?
PS: I last watched episode 6 and 7, so if they reverse this theory and resurrect old Sara Lance, then all is fine. But we should still credits Caity Lotz as Sara Lance's Clone in episodes where she plays dominant character (or if from now on she will replace dead Sara Lance), no?
Any real answer I could give to this would spoil it... but basically, it's not an Ava situation.
@kevin87 wrote:
Any real answer I could give to this would spoil it... but basically, it's not an Ava situation.
Okay, thanks. I guess with these series you need to watch full seasons before making sure you credited the cast correctly, lol. And sometimes even single season is enough ;))
@MAT13 wrote:
Oh man, with these DC series, lol.So, while watching season 6 of Legends of Tomorrow, I realised Sara Lance dies in midway and was replaced by clone. But I see we don't have cloned version of her credited but still credit her.
She's an exact copy, her consciousness copied to a copy of her body, her old body destroyed. Technically she's still Sara Lance. She calls herself that, everyone else calling herself that. So there's no reason for doing that, except for the sake of making things more complicated and confusing.
If we go the absurd way, should we maybe list their past selves and their current selves separately when they traveled back to London to prevent Sara's abduction? Or separate Sara before and after the Lazarus Pit?
