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Ancient Invisible Cities duplication

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tvjjbj12 posted 3 years ago

Hey MTQueenie. I hope the Holidays were a blessing to you and your family!

I have a question about the PBS Ancient Invisible Cities https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/38383/ancient-invisible-cities scheduled for deletion. It's Episode 1 "Athens" aired on August 29, 2018. The BBC Two Ancient Invisible Cities https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/39132/ancient-invisible-cities Episode 1 "Cairo" aired on September 7, 2018. Shouldn't the first airing episode of a show/series determine which should be deleted? In other words, keep the PBS and delete the BBC Two?

Duplicates need to be deleted; NO argument. I am just always concerned about loosing information that could enhance the rightful one remaining. Thanks for taking that into account by adding the Alternate Episode list from the US (PBS) version.

The research to determine a show/series duplication seems overwhelming to me when you consider different countries and languages. At least the show title is the same here. I'm sorry to ask you so late to the deletion deadline. There is a lot of going on with my elderly sister.

Joe

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MTQueenie posted 3 years ago

Hello Joe

Normally, yes we would go with the first airing. However from what i can find this show is a 100% BBC production which means they are the airdate owner and their dates must be the main ones - if it had been a co-production between BBC and PBS then they PBS dates would have been the main ones since they aired first.

https://www.tvmaze.com/faq/15/episodes

I will check with the other staff though, just in case

MTQ

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tvjjbj12 posted 3 years ago

Thanks a bunch for checking into this further. I had another idea that may not apply here. But...

The BBC Three show Being Human https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/809/being-human has a Related Show (Foreign Remake). It is the Syfy Channel's Being Human https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/218/being-human. Both Ancient Invisible Cities have host/presenters that appear throughout each separate episode. They are exploring the same three cities as separate productions, with BBC Two using Michael Scott and PBS using Darius Arya. I just reviewed the PBS website to remind myself. I first viewed the series a couple of years ago.

It seems that both Ancient Invisible Cities could qualify in the same way as both Being Human. Maybe not, but please add my idea for consideration.

Thanks as always.

Joe

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MTQueenie posted 3 years ago

Our Brit and PBS experts have dug deep and it seems it actually is a co-production and there are differences enough to keep both shows so it has been unmarked for deletion. Good catch Joe :)

MTQ

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tvjjbj12 posted 3 years ago

Hey MTQ. Sorry for the delay writing back. Thanks for working this further. I know the research could have supported deletion. I just hate the loss of any information and the effort of various TVmazers updating any series.

Back to both Ancient Invisible Cities, there should be a Show Relation to link them I think. "Franchise" does not seem to fit. Since they are a co-production, can one be the "Foreign Remake" of the other? The PBS episode 1 did air 9 days before the BBC Two episode 1. The other choices do not seem to fit. What do you think?

Thanks a bunch.

Joe

60 Minutes (AU)

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BazzaG posted 3 years ago

Hi,

From Nine's EPG, 60 minutes (Sunday 11th December) has the following description:

Solving aviation's greatest mystery. The man who says he's found doomed airliner MH370; plus, an Australian baby found alone in a Mexican church sets off a major police investigation to identify the child and locate her missing mother.

Both of these stories have been broadcast before:

MH370: Episode 3
Mexican Mystery: Episode 15

For Sunday 18th December we have:

An Australian solo sailor's remarkable survival after falling off his yacht in shark infested waters in the middle of nowhere; plus Sarah Abo joins supergroup KISS on their private jet-setting tour of Europe.

Fall Guy: Episode 21
Kiss & Tell: Episode 18

Reference: https://www.9now.com.au/60-minutes/2022/episodes

This is normal for 60 Minutes to repackage previous stories at this time of the year & if anything like previous years will be the case through to around February 2023.

The 1st story in the December 4 broadcast was also a repeat ... which is why I marked it as such.

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MTQueenie posted 3 years ago

Dammit, why cant networks just show on the episodeguide if the episode has been aired before, would make our lives so much easier. I will delete the 11th december episode again.

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BazzaG posted 3 years ago

That's Ok. I find it a PITA as well. What I wasn't sure about is what are the TVMaze policies on this.

I suppose technically speaking it's a "new" episode since, while the individual stories are repeats, they are "new" in that combination. The intro & ending are also "new".

Having said that I personally consider them repeats.

The official Australian TV ratings for 2023 begin on Sunday 12th February, so I'm guessing these repackaged repeats will continue until around that time (based on the known return of a number of other shows, I think the 1st real new episode will either be the 29th Jan or the 5th Feb ... time will tell).

Cheers

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BazzaG posted 3 years ago

Hi MTQ,

Just a FYI ... As suspected back in December, 60 Minutes (AU) returns with new episodes the coming Sunday night (5th Feb). I've added a new season & the 1st episode as TBA since that info hasn't been published yet.

Cheers
BazzaG...

Please stop editing start times of programs that are incorrect

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Irish316 posted 3 years ago

Can you please stop incorrectly editing the start times of programs if you aren't actually checking them. I Was There on History tonight starts at 10:02 pm (not 10 pm). Also, 9-1-1 Lonestar starts at 9:01 pm (not 9 pm). If you actually watch these programs you would know this. I've noticed you've done it on other programs as well and they are incorrect.

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Irish316 posted 3 years ago

Quit updating episodes if they are incorrect. Episode 7 of Hoffman Family Gold is not Ice Cold Gold. That is episode 6 which is next Friday, April 29. It is reaired on Friday, May 6 at 7 pm. If you actually watch the show, you'd understand how Discovery Channel is showing this series and any other Gold Rush series. I happen to think you just pull these episodes from other sites that incorrectly have them listed as well.

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MTQueenie posted 3 years ago

Jeez get over yourself. This was among the (very long) daily list of conflicts that staff have to process every day and i just didnt realise it was re-run episode. It was an honest mistake so no need for the attitude.

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Irish316 posted 3 years ago

Get over yourself. I spend a lot of time myself making sure things are correct.

Air Aces Deletion

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tvjjbj12 posted 4 years ago

Hello MTQueenie. I hope your Holidays went well.

I'm sorry to see Air Aces deleted. But, I understand it duplicates Heroes of the Skies. Thanks for adding the U.S. and Canadian premieres and transferring the episode summaries.

The American Heros Channel (AHC) provides all six episodes of Air Aces (https://www.ahctv.com/show/air-aces-ahc-atve-us). My cable subscription gives me access. May I add the episode images? The quality is 800x450 pixels, but I will adjust that much higher. The images from all the channels owned by Discovery are easy to adjust. At least, that's what I've found so far.

Also, Don Bowers narrates the episodes I've viewed on AHC. He is listed in the end credits. This may only be the U.S. group. Can he be added somehow? I don't know if narrates any other country's episodes.

Finally, can the six Specials be transferred? JuanArango originally added all six. I filled in the other information. While mainly the same as the regular episodes, I remember extra historical information written across the bottom of the screen that was not in the original episodes. I'm sorry I don't know how to reference them for analysis.

I really hate to lose good information. But I can be too detailed sometimes. :)

Thanks again.

Joe

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MTQueenie posted 4 years ago

Hello Joe

Yes, feel free to add the episodeimages.

As it's the original airing we list we also only list the original narrator which i have added to the show, if we had to add all narrators from every country that have aired the show we would end up with xx amount of narrators listed on episodes.

Regarding the specials, i have talked to the other staff and we all agree that if the only difference between the normal and special episodes are extra historical information at the bottom of the screen, then that isn't enough to be listed. There would have to be additional footage for it to be considered a "different" episode.

MTQ

American Housewife images

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kevin87 posted 5 years ago

I was just wondering why you changed the default images for some of the characters from the new season promo images to cropped versions of the season 1 images?

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MTQueenie posted 5 years ago

Several of the images i added are exactly the same as yours except they are centered and of the face, wether the rest is from season 1 i can't say as i don't watch the show but fine i will add centered ones of those you added. However in future please edit characters photos so they are actually centered before adding them, looks naff having cast photos where the face is all to one side.