Channel Names

Gadfly wrote:
I've noticed a tendency to go with the capitalization in the logo. But the actual legal and press statements at least in some cases go with "normal" upper-lower capitalization.
I noticed a couple of examples here, for AMC and Hulu:
http://www.tvmaze.com/threads/1618/edit-requests?page=213#29112
In my experience, the logo is often designed for... well, graphical reasons. Which aren't the same as legal and press statement text reasons. The latter tend to follow normal capitalization, while the latter are whatever the graphic designer thinks looks best.
So... which has priority at TVMaze?
IMO, use the logo for graphical stuff, and the text for textual stuff. Since that's what the networks typically do with their own names. I don't see why they have to match... and clearly the owning networks don't think they do.

I wrote that in the edit thread too, but it will go lost there, so let us discuss this here :)

if you watch a hulu show, I just started watching Dimension 404 because you recommended it in another thread (and its fun so far), they also write their logo on-screen as "hulu", before the episodes start.

I figured as much, which is why I posted here. :) As it's not really editing. So I addressed the specific edit there, but the general policy here.

What does the legal copyright statement, with (presumably) the official legal name of the company, say?

I'm not disputing how the logo appears, only asking if that's the best-and-final source when it contradicts the written text.

And if it is, why? It seems to me like the legal/official name of the company would be... well, the official name that TVMaze uses. Also, lower-uppercase "normal" is used pretty consistently between channels as far as I can tell, at least in the US/UK. It seems that sticking with one standard, particularly if it's the standard that channels/networks use, would be preferable.TVMaze uses standard poster images for show images, a standard font, a standard type of capitalization. It's not like the site avoids standardization.

If you go to Hulu's official page for Dimension 404, it says "huluPRESS", and "Follow @Hulu," and "What Defines Hulu" and "HULU" and "HULU ORIGINALS". As well as the "hulu" logo.

https://www.hulu.com/press/favorite/dimension-404/

Graphical representation of the company name in the logo and written name not always, and doesn't have to be identical. Legally they even copyrighted separately and differently.

So, despite of graphical "hulu", the company name is "Hulu, LLC" or "Hulu" https://www.hulu.com/press/about

AMC is "AMC Networks Inc." or "AMC" http://www.amc.com/terms

"Netflix", not "NETFLIX"

And so on.

The same goes for TVmaze, by the way. Despite the logo showing "TVMAZE", brand guidelines suggests that "The site should always be referred to as TVmaze"

So the main source of correct naming should be not the graphical representation, but ToS of the network or similar webpage/document.

Gadfly wrote:
I figured as much, which is why I posted here. :) As it's not really editing. So I addressed the specific edit there, but the general policy here.
What does the legal copyright statement, with (presumably) the official legal name of the company, say?
I'm not disputing how the logo appears, only asking if that's the best-and-final source when it contradicts the written text.
And if it is, why? It seems to me like the legal/official name of the company would be... well, the official name that TVMaze uses. Also, lower-uppercase "normal" is used pretty consistently between channels as far as I can tell, at least in the US/UK. It seems that sticking with one standard, particularly if it's the standard that channels/networks use, would be preferable.
If you go to Hulu's official page for Dimension 404, it says "huluPRESS", and "Follow @Hulu," and "What Defines Hulu" and "HULU" and "HULU ORIGINALS". As well as the "hulu" logo.
https://www.hulu.com/press/favorite/dimension-404/

Well, so far we have no policy according to networks, if it would be about episode names, we always go with on-screen first, that would be "hulu" in this case, but I would be fine either way, as the company itself uses both versions.

david or jan should make a decision when they read this thread here.

UK's "Channel 5" have stylized 5 as a logo. So, should we rename it to "5"? Same goes for Swedish TV3, whose logo is "3". And there are dozens of different examples, even in our own database.

tnt wrote:
UK's "Channel 5" have stylized 5 as a logo. So, should we rename it to "5"? Same goes for Swedish TV3, whose logo is "3". And there are dozens of different examples, even in our own database.

This convinced me :)
Shall I edit them back or will you do it?

JuanArango wrote:
Well, so far we have no policy according to networks, if it would be about episode names, we always go with on-screen first, that would be "hulu" in this case, but I would be fine either way, as the company itself uses both versions.
david or jan should make a decision when they read this thread here.

If you're imagine, just for a second, that logo is just a picture, not a text, everything will click into place :) For each network we have (or could have) three separate ID's : logo, full name and abbreviated name. So why we should substitute one with another?

And concerning on-screen appearance: at the very end of every episode of every show there's a copyright line with the network/channel name.

Distributed by Hulu, LLC
Copyright © 2017 AMC
© 2017 ABC Studios

And so on.

JuanArango wrote:
This convinced me :)
Shall I edit them back or will you do it?

Your doing – your undoing :)

I'd say wait until we hear from David and/or Jan. Another day won't make a difference.

It's just one of those things that it'd be nice to all be on the same page, going forward. And I thought we already kind of were.

TVMaze is already not going by logos for show and episode titles. A lot of the times, they're in all uppercaps. Star Trek is probably the best-known example. We don't call it STAR TREK or STAR TREK VOIYAGER or whatever at TVMaze. So clearly TVMaze has picked a capitalization format and decided to stick with it.

http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/490/star-trek

http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/492/star-trek-voyager

Heck, the show images here have it in all uppercaps and TVMaze doesn't. Why should channel names be treated differently?:)

Gadfly wrote:
I'd say wait until we hear from David and/or Jan. Another day won't make a difference.
It's just one of those things that it'd be nice to all be on the same page, going forward. And I thought we already kind of were.
TVMaze is already not going by logos for show and episode titles. A lot of the times, they're in all uppercaps. Star Trek is probably the best-known example. We don't call it STAR TREK or STAR TREK VOIYAGER or whatever at TVMaze. So clearly TVMaze has picked a capitalization format and decided to stick with it.
http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/490/star-trek
http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/492/star-trek-voyager
Heck, the show images here have it in all uppercaps and TVMaze doesn't. Why should channel names be treated differently?:)

It seems all is said, but sure let us wait for david or jan, one more day definitely does not matter :)

Gadfly wrote:
I'd say wait until we hear from David and/or Jan. Another day won't make a difference.
It's just one of those things that it'd be nice to all be on the same page, going forward. And I thought we already kind of were.
TVMaze is already not going by logos for show and episode titles. A lot of the times, they're in all uppercaps. Star Trek is probably the best-known example. We don't call it STAR TREK or STAR TREK VOIYAGER or whatever at TVMaze. So clearly TVMaze has picked a capitalization format and decided to stick with it.
http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/490/star-trek
http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/492/star-trek-voyager
Heck, the show images here have it in all uppercaps and TVMaze doesn't. Why should channel names be treated differently?:)

IMO it's simple. Logos represented as pictures here. Text represented as text. That's it. We're not putting text in the image field and not editing posters for the sake of "proper capitalization", why we should do opposite?

There's a logo saying "amc"? Ok, here's the logo saying "amc" in our database :)

But the logo is just a composite of graphic elements, sometimes resembling a company name.

I think it's a bit excessive to confirm common sense by the policy. It's for lawyers :)

On the other hand, let's make policy for everything!
"Web channels should not be added as networks. Episode numbers should not go backwards. Each sentence should end with a period. If it's not in the policy, request to add." )))))))

Guys, I love our endless debates :)

A contributor brought the matter up, and Juan initially agreed with their assessment. Obviously there are people that think the text should match the graphic. And that's not an uncommon belief.

I don't think we need a policy for everything, and I don't recall anyone asking for this to be e policy. And we already seemed to be going with using normal capitalization rather than logo capitalization (see the Trek examples above). That's why the request and the subsequent change puzzled me.

It'd be nice if we all had some telepathic gestalt that let us all know what should be done in every instance. :) But unless I missed something, we don't... Otherwise, when it comes to all the weird stuff networks do, common sense is rarely common. :(

Gadfly wrote:
A contributor brought the matter up, and Juan initially agreed with their assessment.

It's simply because Juan is a nice person. No policy would fix this :))))

If someone brings up something that isn't common sense, then we need to tell them that it isn't common sense. Making changes just to be nice just confuses people.

Gadfly wrote:
If someone brings up something that isn't common sense, then we need to tell them that it isn't common sense. Making changes just to be nice just confuses people.

I was just thinking about the logos that appear on-screen,a s I just watched Dimension 404, that is why I changed it quickly, also i think I have never seen itv wriiten in huge letter "ITV" :)

Which ITV?

Doing a casual Google search, it looks like at the last the British one is listed as ITV pretty much everywhere. :)

Gadfly wrote:
Which ITV?
Doing a casual Google search, it looks like at the last the British one is listed as ITV pretty much everywhere. :)

I think Juan means the logo

But of course it would be written in caps, 'cause it's an abbreviation, from Independent TeleVision, if my memory serves me correctly.

AMC if also an abbreviation, so it should be in caps. BTW, their logo writing is not "amc", it's "aMC" :)

Yeah, let's not use logos as a source.