I#ll change the three that I altered back now :)
just to make another point on TVRage some of the networks asked us to list the networks in the way they are displayed in the logo, no networks we have contact with have asked us to change anything yet on tvmaze, but just in case this should come up again in the future.
TomSouthwell wrote:
just to make another point on TVRage some of the networks asked us to list the networks in the way they are displayed in the logo, no networks we have contact with have asked us to change anything yet on tvmaze, but just in case this should come up again in the future.
Which is what I meant earlier when I noted that what networks think "common sense" is may differ from what commonly is believed to be "sense." :)
Without knowing the specific networks, it's hard to tell. But as I recall, several networks involved in that had logo-names that differed from text names. And sites like IMDB continue to publish Hulu press releases where it is spelled "Hulu" rather than "hulu".
JuanArango wrote:
I#ll change the three that I altered back now :)
And why is Hulu became HULU? )
And why is Starz (or STARZ) "starz"?
The legal statement at the bottom says @2017 Starz Entertainment. The logo on that page says STARZ. TVMaze appears to have an outdated logo, which is why the name is seemingly mis-capitalized.
What's odd is that if you look at the list of channels at TVMaze, there are at least a dozen that follow normal capitalization, even though the logo says otherwise. Cartoon Network, Nat Geo Wild, Lifetime, TruTV, Animal Planet... Smithsonian CHANNEL has a logo of just "Smithsonian", and there are a few other mismatches as well between name content and logo content.
Is it just a matter of "We haven't noticed this and no one has pointed it out", or what?
The whole thing looks... messy. Which is why a certain consistent approach (a "policy", I suppose :) ) seems to be needed. That way if a logo changes, TVMaze doesn't have to change with it.
If it's a matter of common sense, people seem to have different common senses. :)
Gadfly wrote:
And why is Starz (or STARZ) "starz"?
https://www.starz.com/
The legal statement at the bottom says @2017 Starz Entertainment. The logo on that page says STARZ. TVMaze appears to have an outdated logo, which is why the name is seemingly mis-capitalized.
What's odd is that if you look at the list of channels at TVMaze, there are at least a dozen that follow normal capitalization, even though the logo says otherwise. Cartoon Network, Nat Geo Wild, Lifetime, TruTV, Animal Planet... Smithsonian CHANNEL has a logo of just "Smithsonian", and there are a few other mismatches as well between name content and logo content.
Is it just a matter of "We haven't noticed this and no one has pointed it out", or what?
The whole thing looks... messy. Which is why a certain consistent approach (a "policy", I suppose :) ) seems to be needed. That way if a logo changes, TVMaze doesn't have to change with it.
If it's a matter of common sense, people seem to have different common senses. :)
Starz was probably just added the wrong way when we started TVMaze, will correct it now :)
JuanArango wrote:
Starz was probably just added the wrong way when we started TVMaze, will correct it now :)
Or they changed the logo since then. :) Since the logo listed here isn't the one currently at the site. But it must have come from somewhere.
That's my main issue with having channel names based on network logos. They change. A database should be the same thing, week after week, month after month. Yeah, episodes get preempted, network names alter, and people's show star roles change. But that's the nature of the medium. Overall, data is data.
I thought that was kind of the rationale of not having "Between Seasons" as a show status. It's something you have to turn on, and off, and on, and off as it goes on hiatus and gets renewed and ends its season. Either it hasn't started, it's running, or it's ended.
Gadfly wrote:
Or they changed the logo since then. :) Since the logo listed here isn't the one currently at the site. But it must have come from somewhere.
That's my main issue with having channel names based on network logos. They change. A database should be the same thing, week after week, month after month. Yeah, episodes get preempted, network names alter, and people's show star roles change. But that's the nature of the medium. Overall, data is data.
I thought that was kind of the rationale of not having "Between Seasons" as a show status. It's something you have to turn on, and off, and on, and off as it goes on hiatus and gets renewed and ends its season. Either it hasn't started, it's running, or it's ended.
Well david already said we do not go with the channel logo, so this whole issue should be fixed, if you see an outdated picture for a channel. it would be nice if you update it with a new one.
I will if I can. Although there are some things that have me puzzled.
Like we have a History Channel (by logo) that is listed as History. The description says that it was only "History Channel" up to 2008.
And a History that is listed as History. Which appears to be UK
So are they supposed to have the same name? And why does History Channel have the old logo? I think it's the old logo.
It's sometimes difficult to change things if you don't know the reason they were set up the way they were in the first place.
Gadfly wrote:
I will if I can. Although there are some things that have me puzzled.
Like we have a History Channel (by logo) that is listed as History. The description says that it was only "History Channel" up to 2008.
And a History that is listed as History. Which appears to be UK
So are they supposed to have the same name? And why does History Channel have the old logo? I think it's the old logo.
It's sometimes difficult to change things if you don't know the reason they were set up the way they were in the first place.
Keep in mind, that when we started tvmaze , there was only david, jan and myself and we worked in 16 hour shifts to get as much data as possible before we started, so some things are just there, because it was the first thing that seemed to fit. If you see a better logo , just update it, you do not need to question yourself, why the old and outdated logo is here, just exchange it with the new one :)
I don't know if it is the old and outdated logo, that's my point. It's not like TVMaze was formed before 2008 (the edit log says the channel was added in 2014). So I figure if someone put the old logo there in 2014, they had a reason. I can't go around assuming whoever did so screwed up. :)
Plus, it's not just the logo. As noted, we have two "History" networks in the system. I'm not questioning myself, I'm questioning what was intended by having two channels listed with the same name, and apparently the same logo. Correcting the logo will make them look more alike. I don't feel my time would be best served for anyone to make a change that isn't necessary or desired. So... I have to ask if the change is necessary.
That's basically the hierarchy you set up. If you want some people to do whatever they want, including overriding what you've done, let us know.
Gadfly wrote:
I don't know if it is the old and outdated logo, that's my point. It's not like TVMaze was formed before 2008 (the edit log says the channel was added in 2014). So I figure if someone put the old logo there in 2014, they had a reason. I can't go around assuming whoever did so screwed up. :)
Plus, it's not just the logo. As noted, we have two "History" networks in the system. I'm not questioning myself, I'm questioning what was intended by having two channels listed with the same name, and apparently the same logo. Correcting the logo will make them look more alike. I don't feel my time would be best served for anyone to make a change that isn't necessary or desired. So... I have to ask if the change is necessary.
That's basically the hierarchy you set up. If you want some people to do whatever they want, including overriding what you've done, let us know.
Well one of the History channel sis US based and one is UK based :)
JuanArango wrote:
Well one of the History channel sis US based and one is UK based :)
And is there a way to distinguish them from the name? The logo seems to be the same for both channels, which is why I found the matter kind of confusing. For instance, was the apparently out-of-date logo used to distinguish the US version from the UK version? If not, should it be?
I'm glad to make my own decisions on this, but there's not much point if someone is going to come along and change it back, or to do something new.
JuanArango wrote:
Well one of the History channel sis US based and one is UK based :)
There's also ones in Canada, Australia, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal and even India :) Owned by different companies, with different programs. All licensed by A+E, hence the same name and the same logo (slightly different in India).
Gadfly wrote:
And is there a way to distinguish them from the name? The logo seems to be the same for both channels, which is why I found the matter kind of confusing. For instance, was the apparently out-of-date logo used to distinguish the US version from the UK version? If not, should it be?
I'm glad to make my own decisions on this, but there's not much point if someone is going to come along and change it back, or to do something new.
If they are both named History, there is no way to distinguish them by names, that is what the country is for then. We do the same with series. If there are two Superman series we do not add a date after them, they are distinguished by their other data.
Gadfly wrote:
And is there a way to distinguish them from the name? The logo seems to be the same for both channels, which is why I found the matter kind of confusing. For instance, was the apparently out-of-date logo used to distinguish the US version from the UK version? If not, should it be?
I'm glad to make my own decisions on this, but there's not much point if someone is going to come along and change it back, or to do something new.
Why is this so confusing? The only place where you could see the logo is the networks page, and it have a country filter. Anyway, if the logo don't have a country name written on it, you wouldn't be able to tell, which channel from which country (unless you remember them all) :)
You can also see the logo(s) on the list of all networks. See the links earlier. There there are two different channels, both named "History", with no apparent difference other than the logo.
The fact that you can't tell which channel is from which country is the problem. You've got to do more clicking to find out the information
Speaking of channel names, if you're adding/changing a channel for a show, how does it know what country to choose from? For instance, I looked at Trackdown as an example.
http://www.tvmaze.com/show/update?id=16184
When I choose Network, only American networks appear. But... how does it know to only show me American networks? There's no "County of Origin" selection that I can find. Thanks!
Gadfly wrote:
You can also see the logo(s) on the list of all networks. See the links earlier. There there are two different channels, both named "History", with no apparent difference other than the logo.
The fact that you can't tell which channel is from which country is the problem. You've got to do more clicking to find out the information
Speaking of channel names, if you're adding/changing a channel for a show, how does it know what country to choose from? For instance, I looked at Trackdown as an example.
http://www.tvmaze.com/show/update?id=16184
When I choose Network, only American networks appear. But... how does it know to only show me American networks? There's no "County of Origin" selection that I can find. Thanks!
Would you prefer it do something like this?
As for the second question:
It doesn't only show American Networks; if you scroll down, you'll see all the other countries (TVMaze simply decided to show United States and United Kingdom are first as they're the most popular).
gazza911 wrote:
Would you prefer it do something like this?
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As for the second question:
It doesn't only show American Networks; if you scroll down, you'll see all the other countries (TVMaze simply decided to show United States and United Kingdom are first as they're the most popular).
exactly :)