Deedee, the ending of "After the Flood" was lousy. It really was a disappointment. The story had potential and moved along well and then in the last episode went off a cliff. It didn't help that the lead character became so annoying that even though I knew she was trying to do the right thing, she got on my last nerve. I was so done with her at the end I just didn't care what had happened.
@BritMystery wrote:
Deedee, the ending of "After the Flood" was lousy. It really was a disappointment. The story had potential and moved along well and then in the last episode went off a cliff. It didn't help that the lead character became so annoying that even though I knew she was trying to do the right thing, she got on my last nerve. I was so done with her at the end I just didn't care what had happened.
Sorry, Brit, I lost patience with the characters from the first! I was more interested in how they accomplished the flooding.
@deedee713 wrote:
Sorry, Brit, I lost patience with the characters from the first! I was more interested in how they accomplished the flooding.
Can't fault you for that as the characters were really unlikable outside of Lorraine Ashbourne's character Molly (the flood warden) - she and Philip Glenister had great chemistry together on screen.
Just finished up listening to The Trial of Lord Lucan Podcast .. ran every day last week .. put my vote in last Friday and got the VERDICT this morning , some what surprised at the result . Will not say anymore on that . Listened at Daily Mail Lucan Podcast . Something to pass away the summer slowdown along with The Crown , of which there is a lot of . lol
@solar wrote:
Just finished up listening to The Trial of Lord Lucan Podcast .. ran every day last week .. put my vote in last Friday and got the VERDICT this morning , some what surprised at the result . Will not say anymore on that . Listened at Daily Mail Lucan Podcast . Something to pass away the summer slowdown along with The Crown , of which there is a lot of . lol
Solar, sounds interesting, so I started listening as the episodes are still available. Nice find!
After my disappointment with "After the Flood", I went in a completely different direction and I am bingeing "Stargate Universe" with Robert Carlyle (2009-2011). Only two seasons, but a lot of episodes (40 to be exact). Just finished S1/E9 and I am still going. Kinda surprised that I am sticking with it, but sometimes different is just the ticket.
Oh it seems like forever since I was on here! Now I've read the previous posts to see what I missed, and noticed there's an air date for the Marlow Murders!
I have Sunday viewing all lined up - Professor T (with BenMiller), Grantchester and at the end of the evening DI Ray! My hubs is starting his viewing with House of the Dragon (not my kinda show so perhaps I'll pull out the vacuum and get some house cleaning done? LOL)
It's been a busy time here. The brother-in-law was diagnosed with stomach cancer not long ago. Divorced, and his kids live far away, so it fell to us to tend to his needs with doctor/hospital visits. The end came mercifully fast. So, the funeral is done, and now we are kinda at loose ends. It still seems like we should be running somewhere!
So sorry to hear about your brother-in-law, Appara. I can only imagine what he went through in his last days. Cancer is a scourge. Thank God he had you and your husband to support him. Big hug to you as the stress and emotions that come with taking care of a loved one with a terminal illness is all encompassing.
I wasn't a fan of "DI Ray" the first season, but will watch as I am curious where the story will go and who knows, I may even change my mind about the series in season two. Worth giving it another go.
Hi appara ... been awhile . Sorry for your loss . The big ' C ' strikes any where , any time. Good you were there for him.
Set for Sunday night. Got PVR all set up. Kinda like Professor T .. such an odd-ball.. no personality , no sensitivity but like seeing his mind at work how he analyzes a crime and works it out logically . A fun watch for me . Grantchester .. welllll , I'll give it a go . Will try to view it like I used to view Lewis ( never agreed with him having his own show , just saw him as a ' foil ' for Morse and he stayed that way ) just look past the clergy guy and see if it's a good story line . DI Ray is a new one for me , don't think I've seen it before . So it will be a new adventure , we'll see. All this followed by Cobra with Robert Carlyle , don't think it's new.
appara, my condolences to your brother in law, and to you. Cancer is hell.
I love the Belgian Professor T, but alas there are no more episodes. I didn't like Miller in DIP and didn't like him in Doc Martin, but he is all there is, so I will continue to watch his version. Frances de la Tour is wonderful, best in Cold Lazarus, when Albert Finney was a disembodied head.
Grantchester is remarkably resilient, so I will watch with whomever is the vicar.
Brit, I very much liked Parminder Nagra in ER, and liked the first season of DI Ray, so am looking forward to season two.
solar, I liked Lewis until he got all schmoopy. You are correct, Cobra isn't new, but it was fairly good.
If you don't mind commercials and editing, there is a Doctor Blake marathon on the Ovation channel on Sunday, Father's Day.
Just lost a friend of mine from the big ' C ' ... lung cancer ( never smoked ) . We have a program here called MAiD ( Medical Assistance in Dying ) if you meet all the requirements you are eligible . Pop a pill , 10 minutes gone . Which is what he did . Apparently , his cancer came from Radon Gas ... how he got it and what's being done about it is a whole other story . Now, lets get off this downer and on to something brighter . DI Ray interests me .. glad PBS Maine picked it up this time around.
Me? I enjoyed Lewis, no so much for 'Lewis' but for Hathaway! His character had the best one-liners!
Soler, none of my PBS feeds are airing Cobra, but if you are getting Season3 you are very lucky!!!
Of course Dee, I went immediately to Ovation, and it's only available in the US. There are a lot of interesting titles on that site!! I liked Dr. Blake, and I believe he was cleared?, but being tried in the media, that kind of cloud never really goes away.
So sorry to hear about your friend Soler, and personally, in some instances, I think it's great that we now have a choice on when we've fought long enough. BUT, it's unsettling when a random stranger comes into the hospital room and urges the patient to sign off on their life. This happened about 2 months before he actually passed away, while he was in for some tests in the city. Luckily, hubs had just stepped out of his room for a few minutes and put a stop to her trying to get his signature... This was in a Catholic hospital where purposely ending a life is not an option, so the hospital took over the investigation as to how this person found her way into the room.
We have radon gas here in basements in Cold Lake ( altho more common in the southern/central of the province ). I'm not sure why or how it rises from underground, but it was thought that higher indoor levels were associated with water wells. I think higher levels were also found in Atlantic and Northern Canada? Here we can borrow detectors to check the quality of indoor air. They say it's a good idea to do a 3month test for people that work from home and teens/kids that don't go outside much and play/sleep in basements.
So sorry Solar for the loss of your friend.
Thanks for mentioning "Cobra" as I haven't seen it before and I like Robert Carlyle. I found it on one of my local PBS stations and I have my DVR all set. I am really enjoying "Stargate Universe" with him. Glad I took the leap and gave it a go. Deedee, of course you have already watched - nothing gets by you! 😀 Your stealth when it comes to finding TV shows!
Ovation is a pretty good channel here in the States, Appara. I always check it out to see what is available.
Still working on the "Trial of Lord Lucan", podcast Solar. Another thank you for that!
I've listened to the episodes several times each as I already found out the listeners verdict - I tried not to, but they had the verdict results blazing out there on the site and it couldn't be avoided - in an attempt to understand why it went in that direction. I don't agree with it at this point, I may change my mind, but outside of one piece of evidence which doesn't make a lot of sense - the pipe left in the boot of the car - it is all circumstantial and basically the story came solely from the wife, who had mental issues that were at the root of the situation between the two. He didn't trust her with those children and I believe he had actual cause not to.
I am starting to wonder if she was the murderer (and Lord Lucan walked in to the aftermath) although no one else has come up with that theory (and she was friends with the nanny) - so I am out there with that thought.
The attorney defending Lord L. is outstanding and (to me) far superior to the prosecuting attorney. So that does have an impact on how I view things.
I just think he is correct in his assessment of what happened. And, the fact that no one who knew Lord L. would think him capable of such an act - even his wife's sister - gives me great pause. To say that he mistook the nanny for his wife, given their complete difference in physical stature, doesn't hold water for me - it had to be someone who didn't know the women well.
Brit I want to start by apologizing to you for not informing you sooner of the Lord Lucan Podcast series . I knew a week ahead of the start on June 3 rd. , to run each day until Friday, the 7th. Then a ' listener vote ' would be taken on Friday . I voted on Friday , waited for the tally to be done over the weekend and the verdict read on Monday June 10 th. What you saw was the vote tally already done ( like the barn door after the horse has gone ) . You missed the build up anticipation all week of how the vote would go. Although I voted GUILTY .. I wondered how close it would be ..... and as it turned out , a lot closer than I anticipated .
The GUILTY vote was 84 % , now on the face of it , it sound pretty condemning but on further analysis it was a ' squeak by ' GUILTY vote . Now , if I'm not mistaken under English law a jury does not have to be unanimous like here and as well as in your country . 10 out of 12 have to agree before a verdict can rule . That broken down to a percentage means that 83% have to agree for a jury vote to rule so he squeaked by on 1 % .... however an inch is as good as a mile .
I knew about the Lucan business for years and years , but one thing I changed my mind on was the murder aftermath . I had always thought that the 7th Earl of Lucan who had borrowed his friend Michael Stoop's Ford Cortina ( less conspicuous than his Mercedes ) had driven the 60 miles to the port city of Newhaven , parked the car , hopped the ferry to France and half way over jumped overboard to commit suicide . I don't think that now . The lead Investigator Inspector Roy Ranson , who exhaustively worked this case and wrote a book about it in 1994 believes he got away to Africa thru the help of friends . This from a man who investigated this case more than anybody . In 1980 there was a car crash in Essex where a man was killed at the scene . He was a former Grenadier Guards officer named David Hardy , while going thru his papers the police thumbed thru his address book and found this " Lord Lucan C / O Hotel Ambassadors , Beira , Mozambique " . When they checked out Hardy they found he was a regular at the Clermont Club , a gambling haunt of Lord Lucan . Since Lucan was there ' all the time ' .. good chance they knew each other . more to follow
Defence barrister Edward Henry KC had two main points in his presentation . Discredit Lady Lucan's testimony and point out how contaminated the crime scene was with police and dogs walking all over the place. He sure was right about the crime scene , it was a mess. He pointed out that Lord Lucan had laid the word about that he was planning to sell the family silver . Didn't say what it was worth but a guess a lot . He then said any number of burglars could have heard this and decided to rob the estate . Which is a good point but there's one thing about this that nags me and Henry never approached it. ( neither did the prosecution ) If a burglar did break in ( no sign of break in ) and was surprised by an ' occupant ' and then had to kill her why did he then put the body in a U.S, Mail bag , makes no sense that a burglar would do that. The second thing he made no mention of was that identical murder weapon in the Cortina's boot . Speculation was ' Why did he leave it there ? ' I think Lucan just forgot about it . When he realized he killed the nanny he was in full panic mode . His plan was completely out the window and he was just winging it from there on out. Henry couldn't explain the mail sack and the car boot weapon so he just stayed away from it. This is why I voted Guilty .
Solar, not to worry as I just listened to the podcast info from a different vantage point, instead of deciding if he was guilty, I was trying to understand why people thought so.
I finished the verdict episode last night. Very enlightening as when asked his own opinion on what happened that night, the defending barrister - who did an excellent job in Lucan's defense given what he had to work with (as you say the crime scene was a mess, there was no substantial followup/further investigation by the police that produced any info beyond what the wife said) - he stated he thought that Lord L. hired a hitman to kill his wife and it was the hitman who mistakenly killed the nanny instead of her! Wow, you would have never known that from the defense he gave.
Your two points are well put - why was a US mailbag conveniently there; and the second pipe in the boot raises questions.
I will stand with my previous opinion that Lord L. was not the killer as I don't think he would have mistaken the nanny for his wife; and there was no blood found on him - or in the rooms he was in after coming in to the house - as stated by his daughter and documented by the police on the scene. There was blood everywhere downstairs - you don't murder someone in that manner and walk away without getting some blood on you.
Also, he took his wife upstairs and helped her to her room after her assault (as well as tried to keep his daughter calm). If you are attempting to kill someone it doesn't make sense to do that if he wanted her dead, he should have killed her downstairs before she could give a story to the police. There would have been no witness to the crime if both were gone, he may have panicked, but most people would protect themselves in a panic (not escort her upstairs to the floor their children occupied). So, if he was involved, I think it was done by hiring a hitman. And... that would be an explanation for the mail bag (brought in by a professional to get rid of the body).
I still question the motive of all this. Yes, he hated his wife and the fact that she had custody. But, killing her in their home where the children he adored lived idk, it doesn't sound right. He knew the nanny was living there, it wasn't like she was there alone with the children - it was a risky proposition at best.
And, on top of this, if you do go to the extent of hiring a hitman, why in the world would you ever walk yourself in to that situation. Even if you didn't know exactly when it was going to happen, you stay as far away as you possibly can and give yourself a strong alibi for the time of the murder. You don't walk yourself in to the scene and become the prime suspect. It makes no sense, you hire a hitman to do the dirty work and keep you out of it.
My gut feeling is that Lord L. did not commit suicide and lived abroad somewhere with the help of his friends. So, it is interesting to hear about his acquaintance having the Mozambique address.
The whole thing is such a mess because in the end a woman loss her life and he wound up in the one situation he did not want...ever - to be totally estranged from his children and never able to see them again. He was better off managing his wife the best he could and watching over them as he was doing.
The children were very attached to their nanny and she brought stability to everyone's life (after a parade of others who left because of the wife's temperament). At that time, they were probably in the best environment they had been in. Why then go to the extent of attempting to kill his wife.
I am still not convinced (without a reasonable doubt) so I am voting not guilty.
Solar, came back to mention that it was said that Lord L.'s debts were extensive - I think close to $100,000 in today's money, but his defence barrister Edward Henry KC stated, that the sale of the family silver would pay off the entire debt (that's a lot of silver 😊). He emphasized that the debt and need for funds had no bearing on the case as Lucan already had that settled with the upcoming sale. He was quick to bring out the burglary theory based on the point that people were aware that the family silver was going on the chopping block to pay the debts (and the debts were considerable) - which could have attracted the wrong attention - hence a possible robbery.
Yes Brit ... the burglar theory , I know that Henry loves to deflect to the burglar theory , there was no evidence of a break in and I keep coming back to Rivett's body in that Mail sack, ( one arm sticking out I believe ) . Funny burglar to put a body in a sack instead of gathering up the silverware . This happened on Nov. 7, 1974 , which will be 50 years this fall. This Lord Lucan business is the ultimate British Mystery with many questions and many different possible answers . Lady Lucan was estranged from her 3 children for 35 years , ( very sad ) they were raised by her sister and brother - in -law Christine and William Shand - Kydd . The Shand - Kydds are related to Princess Diana , her mother was a Shand - Kydd I believe .
Absolutely correct on the burglary theory, Solar - there is no evidence and Edward Henry really didn't believe it himself. I give him a lot of credit though, he kept hammering at it because he was looking for any alternative theory to defend his client.
The US Mail bag is a telling piece of evidence, can't get around it - particularly because Rivett's body was put in the bag.
All of my own thoughts concerning the circumstances surrounding that murder are total conjecture on my part. I've got nothing concrete to back my opinion up. But, I find the investigation (in truth, the lack of one) and mystery that has followed Ms. Rivett's murder so interesting - and as you say, we can surmise until the cows come home - we will never totally know what happened that night.
The really sorry thing is Ms. Rivett, the victim in all this, has been pushed to the side and is referred to as "the nanny" (I did it myself), when her unfortunate death is at the crux of it all. The story of Lord and Lady Lucan and their messy lives is what has driven this mystery all these years, not Ms. Rivett.
I did not know that the children were estranged from Lady Lucan and lived with her sister! I did some research regarding this and found an interview with Lady Lucan. Seems she had a very tough life with Lord L., he may have been charming (and had a lot of friends) but was an narcissistic, addict (his gambling) that made her life hell and caused her mental instability.
The truth usually lies somewhere in the middle... the fact that the children elected to live with their aunt as soon as her son came of age and could petition for he and his siblings is telling. They had no relationship with her for all those years and moved on with their lives successfully.
She can put that choice all on them, as she did, but they seem to be okay with it. The big hullabaloo that she did not leave them any of her money was nothing more than that, a hullabaloo. George has gone on to inherit the title from his father and married a heiress whose own father is worth a fortune. His sister, Lady Camilla Bloch (Lucan) is a barrister married to a barrister - I haven't found any info on Frances.
Ya know Brit .. when I thing of this Lord Lucan business I remember Winston Churchill's words describing the Soviet Union at the beginning of WWII ... ' A Riddle wrapped in a Mystery inside an Enigma. ' ..... that's how I feel about Richard John Bingham 7th Earl of Lucan . If things had turned out different and he was caught or turned himself in ... that trial would have been sensational . He would have had the best lawyers money and his status could buy . Remember he was an Aristocrat at the very top of the social structure . I think he might have gotten off ... his social class would have been out in force for his benefit where as if he had been a middleclass tradesman he would probably be found guilty. Lady Lucan is a puzzle .... here's that Churchill Enigma thing again . I watched an interview with her , might be the same one you saw . She was well spoken , rational , logical and seemed very likable so I don't understand this business with her kids. From what I believe her son George reached out to her to have a sit down lunch at some such restaurant or cafe. She turned him down believing that such a place would be to public and people would gossip then she lead the interviewer to believe that if he suggested his home instead she would have accepted . Why didn't she suggest it then . Presents herself very well to the outside world but something was wrong. Dead now , suicide in 2017 at 80.
Why didn't she suggest it then. Presents herself very well to the outside world but something was wrong.
I remember a word that was used to describe her... manipulative. And that seems like a good example of it. How someone presents themselves - and who they truly are - are not always one and the same. I think her children were/are acutely aware of this.
