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Architecture for Alternate Airdates


david wrote a month ago: 2

@tnt wrote:
This would do. The fewer data need to be entered manually, the less space for error :)

Done!


gazza911 wrote a month ago: 1

@david More bugs:

1. Language premiere shows as World Premiere:

https://staging.tvmaze.net/alternatelists/20/fear-the-walking-dead-english-language-premiere

2. Also you can specify both Web Channel & Broadcast for Country Premiere and it will display as only the Broadcast country.

https://staging.tvmaze.net/alternatelist/update?id=21

This probably is more a case that it shouldn't be allowed

In terms of the API:

1. https://api.staging.tvmaze.net/alternatelists/17?embed=alternateEpisodes is valid, (alternateEpisodes is default embed), but for all other embeds you can go directly to the page like this: https://api.staging.tvmaze.net/alternatelists/17/alternateEpisodes (which does not work)


david wrote 28 days ago: 3

OK people, we're ready for takeoff! I just deployed this new feature.

You can find an example alternate list here: https://www.tvmaze.com/alternatelists/17/la-casa-de-papel-english-language-premiere, the policy can be found at https://www.tvmaze.com/faq/40/alternate-episodes.

Please read the policy thoroughly, play around with it, and let me know if all is working well.

Currently the alternate airdates can only be viewed in the episode list (as linked above), but next up we're going to discuss if & how the alternate dates might be used throughout the site such as in the calendar. 


tnt wrote 28 days ago: 1

@david wrote:
OK people, we're ready for takeoff! I just deployed this new feature.

I've created a few lists, and it seems to be working :)
The only downside I see so far is that the network/web channel for the alternate list is visible only in edit mode. And of course, it would be nice to see the alternate episodes in the schedule :)

Oh, almost forgot. Creating alternate episodes really messes up the edit log formatting :( https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/49524/30-monedas/edits?page=1
Maybe this 'Create AlternateEpisodeLink' can be shortened somehow?


david wrote 28 days ago: 1

@tnt wrote:
I've created a few lists, and it seems to be working :)
The only downside I see so far is that the network/web channel for the alternate list is visible only in edit mode. And of course, it would be nice to see the alternate episodes in the schedule :)

Oh, almost forgot. Creating alternate episodes really messes up the edit log formatting :( https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/49524/30-monedas/edits?page=1
Maybe this 'Create AlternateEpisodeLink' can be shortened somehow?

Great! Good point regarding the linked network/web channel, I'll see if we can't display that nicely on the main page somewhere.

I can't do anything about the edit log, no. If that becomes a big enough problem, the solution would be better filtering.


gazza911 wrote 28 days ago: 1

You also cannot see the airtime or runtime of the alternate episodes unless you edit it.

In regards to the edit log, the time column could probably be made smaller as that has a fixed max width.


LouisWu wrote 23 days ago: 1

Great stuff guys, this is all right up my alley :)

How can we lower-than-trusteds request the creation of alternate lists?


tnt wrote 21 days ago: 1

I wonder, does it make sense to make partial alternate lists? For example, the last 10 episodes of https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/29/vikings/episodes were released today on Amazon Prime Video, but the show's airdate owner is History Channel Canada, which would air them weekly starting January 1st. So, is it worth to add an alternate list just for the last 10 episodes?


JuanArango wrote 21 days ago: 1

@tnt wrote:
I wonder, does it make sense to make partial alternate lists? For example, the last 10 episodes of https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/29/vikings/episodes were released today on Amazon Prime Video, but the show's airdate owner is History Channel Canada, which would air them weekly starting January 1st. So, is it worth to add an alternate list just for the last 10 episodes?

I would say it does no harm :)


tnt wrote 21 days ago: 1

@JuanArango wrote:
I would say it does no harm :)

I'm asking because I don't see a point to add useless things, even if they are harmless ))


JuanArango wrote 21 days ago: 1

@tnt wrote:
I'm asking because I don't see a point to add useless things, even if they are harmless ))

You might be correct, to do it for half a season will look a bit weird :)


david wrote 21 days ago: 1

@tnt wrote:
I wonder, does it make sense to make partial alternate lists? For example, the last 10 episodes of https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/29/vikings/episodes were released today on Amazon Prime Video, but the show's airdate owner is History Channel Canada, which would air them weekly starting January 1st. So, is it worth to add an alternate list just for the last 10 episodes?

I think that would make sense, provided the earlier episodes were also released on Amazon Prime. In that case, you can just create an alternate list for the entire season, with only the last 10 episodes' premiere date coming before the original world premiere dates, the other ones after.


tnt wrote 21 days ago: 2

@david wrote:
I think that would make sense, provided the earlier episodes were also released on Amazon Prime. In that case, you can just create an alternate list for the entire season, with only the last 10 episodes' premiere date coming before the original world premiere dates, the other ones after.

Makes sense :)

However, it appears that there's no way to create an alternate list for Amazon Prime, except for the language premiere.


gazza911 wrote 8 days ago: 1

@david wrote:
To allow for including alternate airdates in the schedule and calendar, I have the following 4 preferences in mind:

https://static.tvmaze.com/uploads/images/original_untouched/292/731815.jpg

Thoughts? This should cover 95% of everyone's use cases, right?

Just to clarify, does web channel include global?

Also, would this show up to 4 extra in your calendar if they're all different (e.g. aired in the US, Global Web Channel, UK TV Channel, French Language)?

If they're the same, I'd assume it doesn't duplicate, e.g. aired in the US, US TV Channel, English Language would only display 1 extra as it's on a single alternate list.


david wrote 7 days ago: 1

@gazza911 wrote:
Just to clarify, does web channel include global?

Also, would this show up to 4 extra in your calendar if they're all different (e.g. aired in the US, Global Web Channel, UK TV Channel, French Language)?

If they're the same, I'd assume it doesn't duplicate, e.g. aired in the US, US TV Channel, English Language would only display 1 extra as it's on a single alternate list.

As per the Alternate Episodes policy, only local web channels will be allowed.

Indeed, a single list will only show up once, even if the list has multiple types. But if an episode is on two different alternate lists, both of them would show up in the calendar/schedule.


Nivekolsen wrote a day ago: 1

Is it possible to use a country premiere with a global web channel? e.g. a series premiers on BBC, but is bought by Netflix in the US; could you create a US country premiere on Netflix? This would be great for the discovery+-channel; the Estonia series premiered globally Sep 28th, but in the UK it premiered Nov 12th, but there is currently no way to make an alternate list for this, right?


tnt wrote a day ago: 3

@Nivekolsen wrote:
Is it possible to use a country premiere with a global web channel? e.g. a series premiers on BBC, but is bought by Netflix in the US; could you create a US country premiere on Netflix? This would be great for the discovery+-channel; the Estonia series premiered globally Sep 28th, but in the UK it premiered Nov 12th, but there is currently no way to make an alternate list for this, right?

You can use global web channels only as an English language premiere source for non-English shows. TBH I do not understand the reason behind this limitation.


Nivekolsen wrote a day ago: 1

@tnt wrote:
You can use global web channels only as an English language premiere source for non-English shows. TBH I do not understand the reason behind this limitation.

ah ok, hopefully this will be changed once alternate lists become more common! seems like a weird limitation to have.

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