Q's & A's

Since you took the time to respond and were nice about your comment I will respond back to you as well in kind. First off the show in question only airs Monday - Friday, once each day for only 1 hour and every single episode that has aired since day 1 has aired at the same exact time from 9 to 10 AM no other time.

BTW in case you might have thought I was talking about you having done this I will let you know that it was not you! I have yet to say the name of the show because I wanted to hear what David had to say 1st and see if he even wanted to know the show name?

Juan already explained it pretty well. In short, for shows that air very frequently but don't have an official/former season numbering (mostly nightly talk shows) we use the year number as the season. This prevents discussions about when a new season number should start exactly.
If you have any questions about whether a specific show is listed correctly, post a link and we'll check it out. :)

Sorry David but no he did not and you did not help either? Let me try to rephrase my question so that maybe I will get an answer this time to my question? First off is it done by the system automatically if someone uses the auto download method whatever that is? Secondly if a person uses the so-called auto download method will this happen every time to every show? When I correct the Season # back to #1 from 2015 and someone sometime again in the future uses the so called auto download method is it going to change ALL 70+ episodes back to Season 2015 again and if so this system "enhancement" stinks in it's current form?
With my questions aside that idea to have the system do that was very lame indeed. If a show doesn't have an Official Season # 1, 2, 3 etc. so what then just change them manually on 1 January of each year or like a lot of shows that their new season begins in September each year have the Season # change on any date each September?

Well,
I cannot explain it any better, sorry :(
To answer your questions:
No, the system will not change it back after you edited it, it will only do it when the show is created.
And david has changed it an hour ago, now it will only do the 2012, 2013, 2014 and so on seasoning for a show that airs daily and has the attribute "talk show".
This way all other shows won't get affected by it anymore :)
cheers
Juan

Thank you very much Juan and David both I greatly appreciate that. One final question is if I created the show in question on 1 July like this then why did it change the Season on a totally different date of 12 July? Why does the 1st edit on 12 July indicate Created Season when a Season already existed? That sounds like a system flaw to me?

JAGUARDOGJul 1, 2015 3:41:18 PMCreated ShowCelebrated

JAGUARDOGJul 1, 2015 3:41:18 PMCreated SeasonSeason 1

JuanArangoJul 12, 2015 1:19:08 PMCreated SeasonSeason 2015

I deliberately changed the show to Season 2015 because it seems that this ain't a show where the regular season 1 , season 2 pattern fits, for me this fits more into the category news show or talk show.

It says "created Season" again on 12th July because the change from season 1 to season 2015 is a new creation for the system.

cheers
Juan

Hi there is a way to enter the id of tvdb?

I have 2 questions for "GaborTanz", first off great job on all the shows you have been adding. My question is are you going to add cast to these shows as that is an important part of a show as well? If you are may I suggest you add cast in from now on before you move on to the next show you are going to add? Secondly do any of these shows that began airing prior to September have more than 1 Episode to them yet as I looked at the last 6 shows you added and not 1 of them has more than 1 Episode?

Hi there is a way to enter the id of tvdb?

No, there is not a possibility to add them for trusted contributors or below. Only head contributors and higher are able to do this.

I'm sorry, i've searched the forums to find it but didn't (a to do list post if it exists ?).

Is it on the to-do list to add

writers

Directors

Teleplay

Story by

on the main episode page ? I'm asking for these four specifially because they're important and they're different too. You could equate write with teleplay, but if you use writer for "story by" it's not the same thing at all. cause that dude might just have gave a line : like "how about we do an episode with a fish monster"

Also, a level up, on show main page, "created" and "developped by" are different and I saw on hawaii five-0 that it was created by lenkov, kurtzman and orci, even though the creator of the first show is listing in the opening credits ' based on hawaii 5-0 ...." I'm not sure if it's because "developped by" isn't avaiable yet at that level, or if it was entered in error.

Totally different topic:

And would it be possible to have the trailers show as thumbs like on youtube? They're so big, that even on a 24" inch, that's the only thing I see on episod pages. (24" screen 1920 by 1080). On a 46" screen, i can see the entire page, but i don't think the majority of people work on that type of screens.

Tonks wrote:
I'm sorry, i've searched the forums to find it but didn't (a to do list post if it exists ?).
Is it on the to-do list to add
writers
Directors
Teleplay
Story by
on the main episode page ? I'm asking for these four specifially because they're important and they're different too. You could equate write with teleplay, but if you use writer for "story by" it's not the same thing at all. cause that dude might just have gave a line : like "how about we do an episode with a fish monster"

Also, a level up, on show main page, "created" and "developped by" are different and I saw on hawaii five-0 that it was created by lenkov, kurtzman and orci, even though the creator of the first show is listing in the opening credits ' based on hawaii 5-0 ...." I'm not sure if it's because "developped by" isn't avaiable yet at that level, or if it was entered in error.


Totally different topic:
And would it be possible to have the trailers show as thumbs like on youtube? They're so big, that even on a 24" inch, that's the only thing I see on episod pages. (24" screen 1920 by 1080). On a 46" screen, i can see the entire page, but i don't think the majority of people work on that type of screens.

I can't personally help you however I would like you to expound on your request a little bit more please? If you have reached a certain level here you will be able to add in these things yourself more information on that will be provided by a Staff member if needed? The reason I say this is you can add in Directors, Story, Teleplay & Writers anytime yourself at Episode level only it is not allowed to add these on Show level and I believe it never will be? You just need to select Guest Crew" and there is a pop-up/down list of all 4 of your choices you mentioned. I do not believe they are considering adding anymore titles to the Episode level at least not at this time?

I hope this helps you until a STAFF member can assist you further?

Tonks wrote:
I'm sorry, i've searched the forums to find it but didn't (a to do list post if it exists ?).
Is it on the to-do list to add
writers
Directors
Teleplay
Story by
on the main episode page ? I'm asking for these four specifially because they're important and they're different too. You could equate write with teleplay, but if you use writer for "story by" it's not the same thing at all. cause that dude might just have gave a line : like "how about we do an episode with a fish monster"

Also, a level up, on show main page, "created" and "developped by" are different and I saw on hawaii five-0 that it was created by lenkov, kurtzman and orci, even though the creator of the first show is listing in the opening credits ' based on hawaii 5-0 ...." I'm not sure if it's because "developped by" isn't avaiable yet at that level, or if it was entered in error.


Totally different topic:
And would it be possible to have the trailers show as thumbs like on youtube? They're so big, that even on a 24" inch, that's the only thing I see on episod pages. (24" screen 1920 by 1080). On a 46" screen, i can see the entire page, but i don't think the majority of people work on that type of screens.

Jaguar already answered about the crew :)
I am not sure if on a show level we should enter writer, director, story, as those persons are different for almost each episode, on the episode level you can already enter, teleplay, story, writer and director.

On the show level we currently only display "creator", I can see that "developed by" will make sense for some shows, so it would be a nice addition to have.

I am glad that you mentioned the trailers, for my likes they are also a bit too big, I will ask jan and david about it.
But what i do not understand is that they fill your whole screen, could you upload a screenshot of your screen somewhere, so i can take a look at it ?

On my computer they fill a big part of the screen but nowhere as huge as you experience it, so I am curious about it :)

cheers
Juan

No, sorry, i must have not explained it properly. I was underlining two different problems.

I was saying : I am not seeing writers/directors/teleplay/story by on the main episode page. I'm sure it'll be on the crew page for that episode, but all i saw earlier on an episode page was the trailer and guest cast when i scrolled down. I hope story by and teleplay are in place at episode level.

I think i know what happened. I was on an episode with a trailer (with no summary, i think) and that might have been why i didn't notice the square on the right with the rest of the info (writer and stuff). I can't remember which show it was to see if it was missing that information or if that was added since i was here yesterday. So i don't know if i just had tunnel vision and saw only the trailer or if it was implemented since then. So that was a waste of both our times, sorry.

Problem number 2 : it's actually incorrect info. On Hawaii 5-0 with Alex O'Loughlin, Lenkov, Kurtzman and Orci are credited as creators on the main page but they are credited as "developped by" in the credits of the show. There are shows where you have both credits creator and developped by and both should be on the main show page. It's not very common for US Shows, but i can think of a few recent instances where the originals writers left (Terra nova at the top of my head) and the final product was written by someone else, you'd have created by and developped by at the same time. On the other hand, in Australia, UK, Canada, those are very common instances. You'd have concept by/idea/created by etc and then developped by... For example, Cerone is credited as creator of Motive, but he didn't write one line of it and it was developped by someone else. Both credits should appear on the main show page (not saying it isn't, i didn't check, motive was the first show that came to mind).

I'm not saying you'd need to add all those alternatives, just that they exist in credits. The main two ones are creator and developped by, and those should be in available. The others, while perfectionists would want them to be as accurate as possible, your site, your choice.

Like i said, i do not know if it's because "developped by" is not available or was not available when hawaii 5-0 with alex o'loughlin was created on the site. If it is now available, this should be an edit request. if it isn't available, then it's something that should be added cause the trend right now is networks developping movies/books into series and it's not always a creation (mostly depends if something is public domain or not but not always).

Hope this clarifies it.

JuanArango wrote:
Jaguar already answered about the crew :)
I am not sure if on a show level we should enter writer, director, story, as those persons are different for almost each episode, on the episode level you can already enter, teleplay, story, writer and director.
On the show level we currently only display "creator", I can see that "developed by" will make sense for some shows, so it would be a nice addition to have.
I am glad that you mentioned the trailers, for my likes they are also a bit too big, I will ask jan and david about it.
But what i do not understand is that they fill your whole screen, could you upload a screenshot of your screen somewhere, so i can take a look at it ?
On my computer they fill a big part of the screen but nowhere as huge as you experience it, so I am curious about it :)
cheers
Juan

That is strange indeed Juan. Is it at all possible that his F11 key is stuck on or is not working properly? Try hitting your F11 key and see if this does not shrink it down a little first?

JuanArango wrote:
Jaguar already answered about the crew :)
I am not sure if on a show level we should enter writer, director, story, as those persons are different for almost each episode, on the episode level you can already enter, teleplay, story, writer and director.
On the show level we currently only display "creator", I can see that "developed by" will make sense for some shows, so it would be a nice addition to have.
I am glad that you mentioned the trailers, for my likes they are also a bit too big, I will ask jan and david about it.
But what i do not understand is that they fill your whole screen, could you upload a screenshot of your screen somewhere, so i can take a look at it ?
On my computer they fill a big part of the screen but nowhere as huge as you experience it, so I am curious about it :)
cheers
Juan

Cross-reply, sorry, previous post was for Jaguar, not you, so that you don't take it the wrong way and you answered my question about the availability of "developped by" as a choice at show level. (you may be surprised by as far i can read, we agree a lot on availiabity of credits added)

So let's see for the image, i may have had tunnel vision, i think I was on how to get away with murder and scrolled down to the guest cast and didn't see the square on the right at all. Cause to get the guest actors you need to scroll really down due to the size of the trailer.

This is how it looks on my 24", i don't remember the summary being there, so it could be another show. I'm sorry, but i've worked on a lot of shows yesterday (not here, on our db) so it's gonna be night to impossible to remember which show it was.

Hope this helps.

http://postimg.org/image/lwqne5w6h/

I'm at normal size for your website, i could shrink the site size, that would care of the problem to get to guest cast faster. I think that the size used for an image of the episode would be perfect size for a thumbnail trailer.

Tonks wrote:

Cross-reply, sorry, previous post was for Jaguar, not you, so that you don't take it the wrong way and you answered my question about the availability of "developped by" as a choice at show level. (you may be surprised by as far i can read, we agree a lot on availiabity of credits added)

So let's see for the image, i may have had tunnel vision, i think I was on how to get away with murder and scrolled down to the guest cast and didn't see the square on the right at all. Cause to get the guest actors you need to scroll really down due to the size of the trailer.
This is how it looks on my 24", i don't remember the summary being there, so it could be another show. I'm sorry, but i've worked on a lot of shows yesterday (not here, on our db) so it's gonna be night to impossible to remember which show it was.
Hope this helps.

http://postimg.org/image/lwqne5w6h/

I'm at normal size for your website, i could shrink the site size, that would care of the problem to get to guest cast faster. I think that the size used for an image of the episode would be perfect size for a thumbnail trailer.

One more thing I just remembered is the Internet provider you are using which one is it if i may ask? When I first came over here I had problems seeing a lot of things on the far right or left but after trial and error found out it was not me or my PC settings but it was either Internet Explorer or Firefox (can't remember which one) that was making everything way to large/big. I switched over to GOOGLE Chrome and no more problems.

I'm using firefox 41 (latest version which was updated this morning so i was seeing the same thing yesterday) and i am not, really sorry about this, willing to switch to chrome and i shouldn't have ;)

If i were to use a very old version, i would agree with you, but it's not the case.

Tonks wrote:
No, sorry, i must have not explained it properly. I was underlining two different problems.

I was saying : I am not seeing writers/directors/teleplay/story by on the main episode page. I'm sure it'll be on the crew page for that episode, but all i saw earlier on an episode page was the trailer and guest cast when i scrolled down. I hope story by and teleplay are in place at episode level.



I think i know what happened. I was on an episode with a trailer (with no summary, i think) and that might have been why i didn't notice the square on the right with the rest of the info (writer and stuff). I can't remember which show it was to see if it was missing that information or if that was added since i was here yesterday. So i don't know if i just had tunnel vision and saw only the trailer or if it was implemented since then. So that was a waste of both our times, sorry.


Problem number 2 : it's actually incorrect info. On Hawaii 5-0 with Alex O'Loughlin, Lenkov, Kurtzman and Orci are credited as creators on the main page but they are credited as "developped by" in the credits of the show. There are shows where you have both credits creator and developped by and both should be on the main show page. It's not very common for US Shows, but i can think of a few recent instances where the originals writers left (Terra nova at the top of my head) and the final product was written by someone else, you'd have created by and developped by at the same time. On the other hand, in Australia, UK, Canada, those are very common instances. You'd have concept by/idea/created by etc and then developped by... For example, Cerone is credited as creator of Motive, but he didn't write one line of it and it was developped by someone else. Both credits should appear on the main show page (not saying it isn't, i didn't check, motive was the first show that came to mind).
I'm not saying you'd need to add all those alternatives, just that they exist in credits. The main two ones are creator and developped by, and those should be in available. The others, while perfectionists would want them to be as accurate as possible, your site, your choice.

Like i said, i do not know if it's because "developped by" is not available or was not available when hawaii 5-0 with alex o'loughlin was created on the site. If it is now available, this should be an edit request. if it isn't available, then it's something that should be added cause the trend right now is networks developping movies/books into series and it's not always a creation (mostly depends if something is public domain or not but not always).
Hope this clarifies it.

The box you missed to see, was always there on the right (from day one), pretty sure you overlooked it because of the huge trailer, that can happen :)

"developper" is available on show level, I just checked this, but I do not know if this was there from day one or got added later at some point. And you are perfectly correct, both credits should appear ont he main page, if they are credited like that on-screen. Feelk free to add them if you want to, otherwise I will do it later :)

cheers
Juan

Okay i updated their status.

I'm going to nitpick, any way you guys would consider changing "developer" (cause for me that is what David is) by "developped by" ? It's an industry term, it's the one approved by the writers' guild. If you don't want to, that's fine, if i don't ask, nothing'll change ;)

Now that i know where writers/directors are, there's no problem. Still think the trailer's too big :D

Question : i edited them one at a time, Didn't see if you could update their status all at once (is there ?) Anyway you could have the list edit with check boxes so that we only edit the ones we want ? That would apply to every type, guest, main cast crew etc. It would be more user friendly, i think. So, yeah i guess i'm asking for the reverse this time : an extra step/page but that page would make it easier to correct inaccuracies.

I've seen both Developer and Developed By on American shows, past and present. And in the UK I've seen "Series Developer."

The problem is how many different variations of the same basic term do you add? If you look at every possible crew position, and every possible variation, you're looking at what is for all practical purposes an infinite list of crew. Infinite lists are kinda hard to go through. :)

I'd agree on the full-list/checkmark thing.

Gadfly wrote:
I've seen both Developer and Developed By on American shows, past and present. And in the UK I've seen "Series Developer."
The problem is how many different variations of the same basic term do you add? If you look at every possible crew position, and every possible variation, you're looking at what is for all practical purposes an infinite list of crew. Infinite lists are kinda hard to go through. :)
I'd agree on the full-list/checkmark thing.

I wasn't asking for adding developed by to the already existing developer. I don't remember seeing recently developer for a show in the US but i don't watch everything. I was more requesting a correction, that takes 3 seconds tops, if it's accessible directly from the site, a bit longer if David (or his minions if he has any) needs to change it at the database level, but say 10 seconds because whether it's developer or developed by, it will not need to be moved alphabetically speaking in the list which would take longer as you'd have to change two things (the name and the order of displaying on the site). I'm saying this from experience because i'm the one adding crew positions in our db, to switch a display order and adding a new crew position, it would take me paper to writer down where there are, see where i can put them and write down the numbers, so that would take about 2/3 minutes overall and that's a biatch. So definitely not asking for that at all....

Let's say that for me, "developped by" is the more commonly used, i'm not disputing that developer exists cause i can't as i have no example of it in recent years and i think they could have switched at the guild level, but if you say that you saw developer recently on a US show (not a canadian produced one, that would be different entirely and i'd say yeah that would have been possible), then ok. And i always equate developper to programmers/websites people etc than a show being developed. Like i said nitpicking.

In terms of adding crew position, i'm not asking for any except if teleplay and story by are still not in. I did say creator and developped by were the most two important and if you want to be accurate, you'll want the others too, but that's the site's decision. Not requesting anything of that sort.

Thanks for supporting my suggestion for the checkmark thing for edits.

But if you change Developer to Developed By in the database, you'll change everyone that is currently and correctly assigned to Developer so that they're wrong. So you'd have to add a second credit, Developed By.

And I used Developer to indicate a Series Developer, because the latter isn't available. So if it was corrected, it would say the crew member was Developed By, and they're still wrong.

So you can't make a correction without... umm, in-correcting other things. :) You have to Add, which a) takes longer, and b) creates a potential proliferation of credits. If you've got one addition, and I've got one addition, and 500 contributors each have a different one each...

Or am I misunderstanding something? What do you do with your DB with variants (Developer/Developed By/Series Developer)?

Tonks wrote:
Okay i updated their status.

I'm going to nitpick, any way you guys would consider changing "developer" (cause for me that is what David is) by "developped by" ? It's an industry term, it's the one approved by the writers' guild. If you don't want to, that's fine, if i don't ask, nothing'll change ;)
Now that i know where writers/directors are, there's no problem. Still think the trailer's too big :D
Question : i edited them one at a time, Didn't see if you could update their status all at once (is there ?) Anyway you could have the list edit with check boxes so that we only edit the ones we want ? That would apply to every type, guest, main cast crew etc. It would be more user friendly, i think. So, yeah i guess i'm asking for the reverse this time : an extra step/page but that page would make it easier to correct inaccuracies.

The full-list checkbox addition sounds pretty reasonable to me, I think david will reply on that later this evening.

As gadfly said too, different countries, different names for the same crew type, so it will be very hard to cover this all.

cheers
Juan

Even in the same country. :)

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