I have been cleaning up 5 cancelled ABC shows and 1 new Netflix show that were all added within the last few hours that all needed more work mostly missing airtimes, missing night the shows aired on last, some cast and some show images all added by 1 member but not a problem I consider it one of my jobs that I enjoy taking personally so I think i can now begin looking at Tuesday's US shows to see if I need to do anything with any of them or not?
TTFN
JAGUARDOG wrote:
do you want me to remove the dates are have you already do it?
done ;)
JAGUARDOG wrote:
I have been cleaning up 5 cancelled ABC shows and 1 new Netflix show that were all added within the last few hours that all needed more work mostly missing airtimes, missing night the shows aired on last, some cast and some show images all added by 1 member but not a problem I consider it one of my jobs that I enjoy taking personally so I think i can now begin looking at Tuesday's US shows to see if I need to do anything with any of them or not?
TTFN
good job :).
those were all requests by the way. and if the airtimes/days did not show, its because they were imported from thetvdb and many are missing this info over there. glad u could correct them though ;)
bungle wrote:
those were all requests by the way. and if the airtimes/days did not show, its because they were imported from thetvdb and many are missing this info over there. glad u could correct them though ;)
not a problem at all, no harm, no fowl! That is why I have my very handy TV Bible of US. cancelled shows within inches of me but great job with what you did add!
Is it at all possible to allow web series shows to appear on the daily TV schedule along with Network & Cable shows? In other words New episodes on amazon, hulu, netflix etc. show along with the regular Network shows please? Or is this something you are not interested in trying to program or allow?
Thank you very much for your kind consideration & response in this matter, Ron.
JAGUARDOG wrote:
Is it at all possible to allow web series shows to appear on the daily TV schedule along with Network & Cable shows? In other words New episodes on amazon, hulu, netflix etc. show along with the regular Network shows please? Or is this something you are not interested in trying to program or allow?
Thank you very much for your kind consideration & response in this matter, Ron.
that would not make any sense as pretty much 90% of the Web channels releases all of their planned episodes for that date at midnight.
Thomas wrote:
that would not make any sense as pretty much 90% of the Web channels releases all of their planned episodes for that date at midnight.
You are correct, sorry I totally forgot about that besides the site could never show more than 1 Episode airing at the same time on the same webchannel so that shot that question all to heck.
I was mainly thinking about shows/episodes that only air 1 episode once a week like "SuperMansion", "W/ Bob & David", etc. but there of course would be no way to program exceptions i guess?
How many episodes does a guest star have to be in a series before they are no longer considered a guest star and become a regular cast member? Is there a set number of episodes and how does it happen? Does the site automatically move them from guest star to main cast or does someone have to do it manually?
If a person who was a guest star finally becomes a member of the main cast how does that effect all the episodes that they were listed as a guest star or does it? Does the system remove them as guest stars in those episodes or do they stay as they were originally?
Lastly is it permitted to list a person as a main cast member and as a guest star both in the same episode?
Is any of this written down anywhere and if so where please but if not can it be documented?
There is a person in a series that has now appeared in 6 consecutive episodes in Season 2 and still remains listed as a guest star and they are scheduled to appear in at least 13 more episodes this season. If they are not killed off or taken off the series they will appear in most if not all episodes in Season 3.
The name of the show and the star is at this moment not important because I am just trying to find out what the rules are overall that govern this type of a situation please? If all of my questions are answered I then will gladly reveal both but with the track record here that is a very big IF I am sure?
However a good detective I am sure could add 2 + 2 and figure out what series and cast member I am speaking about?
How is the actor credited onscreen? As far as TVmaze is concerned, that presumably determines how they're credited.
For instance, Jim Beaver was on... 58 episodes of Supernatural. He was credited as a guest star every time. Mark Sheppard was on 54 episodes, about half of those as a guest star. For the last two years he was credited as a show star when he appeared, so that's what he'd be credited as for those two years. For the years before that, he'd be listed as a guest star because that's what he was credited as. There's no point at which Beaver somehow "becomes" a main star.
Katie Cassidy (6 episodes) and Lauren Cohen (6 episodes) were billed onscreen as Show Stars for season 3 of Supernatural. There's... 24 other actors who appeared on Supernatural more often, but they were all billed onscreen as guest stars.
How someone is credited (Show Star, Guest Star, Co-Star, Uncredited) is up to the actor, their agent, the Screen Actors' Guild, the show's casting people, and the production company. TVMaze merely documents what they decide: Staff can confirm, but presumably no one here makes that determination.
Gadfly wrote:
How is the actor credited onscreen? As far as TVmaze is concerned, that presumably determines how they're credited.
For instance, Jim Beaver was on... 58 episodes of Supernatural. He was credited as a guest star every time. Mark Sheppard was on 54 episodes, about half of those as a guest star. For the last two years he was credited as a show star when he appeared, so that's what he'd be credited as for those two years. For the years before that, he'd be listed as a guest star because that's what he was credited as. There's no point at which Beaver somehow "becomes" a main star.
Katie Cassidy (6 episodes) and Lauren Cohen (6 episodes) were billed onscreen as Show Stars for season 3 of Supernatural. There's... 24 other actors who appeared on Supernatural more often, but they were all billed onscreen as guest stars.
How someone is credited (Show Star, Guest Star, Co-Star, Uncredited) is up to the actor, their agent, the Screen Actors' Guild, the show's casting people, and the production company. TVMaze merely documents what they decide: Staff can confirm, but presumably no one here makes that determination.
I have no idea how they appear on screen. I don't watch those things or watch for those things and some are so fast I can't read them and i do not own any type of recording device to re-watch it on.
As far as your example regardless of how you feel about it in my own personal opinion that is so stupid it isn't even funny 50 plus episodes and the Network still considers them a guest star that is so wrong! It's like them saying we're not sure how long we are going to keep you on the show Julie Andrews so we will credit you as a guest star until such time as we determine we want to keep you on forever!
If I was an actor and they treated me as a guest star for more than 10 episodes knowing I would have more appearance I would demand to be added to the main cast list!
Besides scrolling names on a TV screen being the main/major requirement is ludicrous at best!
Please don't even get me on my Soap Box on this subject. If you disliked my arguments on other subjects here like I know you do/have you will resent Big Time me on this matter! You stated what you believe to be true now hopefully one of the Top 2 will buzz in some day?
It's not a matter of how anyone here feels about it. That's how the industry works. Crediting is determined by a lot of negotiation, and pay, and the actor's influence and star rating in the industry. Being billed as a main star rather than a guest star is a matter of pay and contractual commitment. If an actor doesn't think they're getting paid enough, they can demand to get paid more. If they get it, they're billed as a show star. Or they'll be positioned earlier in the guest star roll. Or at the end, with an "And" before their name. If they don't get what they want, they may walk, they may take the money they get for a "lesser" part.
So they can do what you think they should do, and I'm sure some of them do. Your argument is correct, but it's not relevant to how TVMaze displays the data that results from those negotiations.Regardless, there's nothing in the TVMaze system that changes someone from one category to another based on number of appearances.
The only way to make the changes you want would be to enter the data incorrectly.
Gadfly wrote:
It's not a matter of how anyone here feels about it. That's how the industry works. Crediting is determined by a lot of negotiation, and pay, and the actor's influence and star rating in the industry. Being billed as a main star rather than a guest star is a matter of pay and contractual commitment. If an actor doesn't think they're getting paid enough, they can demand to get paid more. If they get it, they're billed as a show star. Or they'll be positioned earlier in the guest star roll. Or at the end, with an "And" before their name. If they don't get what they want, they may walk, they may take the money they get for a "lesser" part.
So they can do what you think they should do, and I'm sure some of them do. Your argument is correct, but it's not relevant to how TVMaze displays the data that results from those negotiations.Regardless, there's nothing in the TVMaze system that changes someone from one category to another based on number of appearances. The only way to make the changes you want would be to enter the data incorrectly.
Are you sure you do not want to restate your last sentence? Why would I or anyone want to enter data incorrectly regardless how we feel about it? Maybe you meant to say "so the only way to make the changes you want would be for someone, anyone to add or change the person from guest star to main cast manually since the system cannot do it by itself?"
Jaguar, you cannot change what is written on the screen. What you were suggesting ie switching a guest to a main cast after a number of episodes would, as Gadfly say, in effect be incorrect information. So no i don't think he wants to rephrase what he wrote because he's right. What you suggest would in essence reentering or updating correct info to incorrect info.
What matters is the MBA, the contract that is negotiated by each guild with the 6000+ productions companies. That contract manages how an actor, a director, a writer, a below the line crew (teamsters, iatse etc) is being paid, how s/he is credited if he/she is a nobody. Some have more clout and their agents negociate better terms and they either get production credits as well, they get an "and" or a "with" if they're guest stars, they also get special appearances or speacial guest stars and each of these terms have a specific result for the person. Some have so much clout they can participate in the production process like let's say Timothy Olyphant in Justified, Mark Harmon in NCIS. All is about money, royalties, dividends, back ends (dvd sales, streaming royalties etc). Also some people refuse to become main stars for a simple reason that has nothing to do with more money : independance, the possibility not to be be in an episode if they don't want to. It happens. If actors go too strongly, they're let go. Tyler Posey (Teen Wolf) was very clear this summer about why some of the cast left and it had nothing to do with them wanting to do something else, it was about negociations going wrong.
I wondered for a long time why the director was always listed last on opening credits while TV is the writers' domain for scripted shows. You know why ? because despite evertyhing, the DGA, the directors guild, is still the stronger of the two guilds and that's why the writers have not yet managed to be listed last on US shows (we can debate other countries but those rules don't apply the same way).
So unless someone changes status on screen, what governs is what is on screen.
If for you the credits go too fast, then don't add that kind of data, others will do it.
You can arbitrarily decide certain things, like what you consider a recurring actor. De facto, a recurring actor is someone who appears in a show as the same character twice or more. Tvrage didn't attach it to the characters' name but to the actors' name which was a bit problematic. On our site, we decided that recurring would start @ 5 appearances with the exact same spelling, tv.com was at 3 or 5 at the beginning, not sure right now.
But a recurring guest star will always be a guest star foremost. The distinction the two is very simple, and very clear; There is no discussion. There is no discussion in the industry. The problem comes from the media who uses terms loosely and make it very hard for people to distinguish.
i always advise people to read Jeff Lieber's showrunners rules because it's full of insight https://sites.google.com/site/scottdistillery/show...
Let me try this one last time guys. All of what you both said is all well and good and even though I don’t agree with most of it or like it, it is what it is. However ALL of my questions still pretty much remain the same and that is “What are the rules that the site has?” concerning this from one of the Top 2 only? If it is the same for the site as it is for the “Industry Standard” so be it!
I however still want my questions answered by either Jan or Ben. Anyone else can make whatever statements, comments, points they wish because it does not matter!
JAGUARDOG wrote:
Let me try this one last time guys. All of what you both said is all well and good and even though I don’t agree with most of it or like it, it is what it is. However ALL of my questions still pretty much remain the same and that is “What are the rules that the site has?” concerning this from one of the Top 2 only? If it is the same for the site as it is for the “Industry Standard” so be it!
I however still want my questions answered by either Jan or Ben. Anyone else can make whatever statements, comments, points they wish because it does not matter!
First of all, wtf is BEN ? There is no BEN here :)
What gadfly and Tonks were saying is perfectly correct.
On tvmaze we do it exactly like this:
If someone is credited as main cast, he will be added as main cast.
If someone is credited as guest cast, he will be added as guest cast.
It does not matter in how many episodes someone appears, only the credit on screen or in the press release is what matters.
If someone is a guest cast in season 2 he will be entered as such, if he then becomes main cast in season 3 he will be entered in season 3 as main cast, but his guest cast entries in season 2 will be untouched.
But of course there can be a mistake in the show you are talking about, but to check on that you need to name the show, so that I can check on it :)
cheers
Juan
JAGUARDOG wrote:
Are you sure you do not want to restate your last sentence?
I'm sure I do not want to restate my last sentence.
here's a small problem I've run into. if a show exists with no running time given, and you then add a running time but all the episodes for that show have been already imported/added. do you then have to go into each episode and mark the running time also, or can you make it so that it automatically updates each episode as soon as a running time for a show has been updated.
thanks :)
