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JuanArango wrote 7 years ago: 1

pwinn wrote:
I've danced this dance before, so I don't expect to change anybody's mind, but just so you know: you are now listing an absolutely nonsensical order on your site in slavish devotion to a misguided rule, as anyone who actually watches both episodes will plainly and clearly see. NBC realized their error and fixed it. It's sad TVMaze won't do the same.

for those extreme circumstances I would say we should do as you suggest. I will discuss this with staff and answer in this thread :)


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gazza911 wrote 7 years ago: 1

JuanArango wrote:
for those extreme circumstances I would say we should do as you suggest. I will discuss this with staff and answer in this thread :)

The way I see it there's 3 options:

1. Have it as the way they aired (in line with policy)
2. Have it in the way it was intended to air (against policy) - add a show wiki to explain it
3. As option #2, but don't list the airtimes

The policy normally deals with the network airing different order to how the producers want it, or they later on decide on a different order, not actual broadcasting errors.

We're still making a decision, but so far those that have responded (including myself) are leaning towards option #2.


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NathanDrake83 wrote 7 years ago: 1

Please delete season 3 episodes for Colony, no airdate has been announced yet AFAIK.

https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/2757/colony/episodes

Thanks!


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JuanArango wrote 7 years ago: 1

NathanDrake83 wrote:
Please delete season 3 episodes for Colony, no airdate has been announced yet AFAIK.

https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/2757/colony/episodes

Thanks!

you are correct, they are deleted now :)

markus wrote 7 years ago: 1

NathanDrake83 wrote:
Please delete season 3 episodes for Colony, no airdate has been announced yet AFAIK.

There is an unconfirmed date (March 18) on IMDB but that's most likely nonsense as it's a Sunday.
Official word is soon, this spring. I took the liberty of removing the season month.

tnt wrote 7 years ago: 1

gazza911 wrote:
The policy normally deals with the network airing different order to how the producers want it, or they later on decide on a different order, not actual broadcasting errors.

I'm not really sure, what do you mean by "broadcasting error", but it's not like they occasionally aired one episode instead of another. This was planned a week ago, press-release with the change of airing order was issued on Feb 24, 5 days prior to broadcast. So it's not a last minute change nor a technical mistake. So it's a first case, "network airing different order to how the producers want it."


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kevin87 wrote 7 years ago: 1

pwinn wrote:
NBC's official site for A.P. Bio lists the order of the episodes which both aired March 1 as "Burning Miles" followed by "Overachieving Virgins." This lines up with the content of those episodes as well. TVMaze lists them the other way around, which doesn't line up with the content of the show nor the official listing.

Please swap the episode numbers, thank you.

https://www.nbc.com/ap-bio/episodes

http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/28039/ap-bio/episodes

We can't really go by content of the episodes either though, because in episode 3 (now 4, Burning Miles), Jack is introduced to Paula Pell's character for the first time after having interacted with her a good bit in the previous episode (Teacher Jail). So clearly NBC doesn't care what order they air them in as is the case with the majority of networks when it comes to comedy or even shows with loosely serialized plots.


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david wrote 7 years ago: 1

Can anyone elaborate on the "broadcasting error", what happened exactly?

Barring an extraordinary circumstance, this sounds like the kind of thing that happens all the time: networks airing episodes in a different order from how they were produced. In those cases we follow the airdate ordering, because that's how the general public has seen them, no matter how confusing.

deleted wrote 7 years ago: 1

Quick question here.

https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/17078/the-grand-tour

Is season two finished right now? In that case we have to adjust the season no. to 11 episodes or is there one more episode coming? I seem to be unable to find any info regarding this and few sources do state 12 and some do state 11.

tnt wrote 7 years ago: 1

Thomas wrote:
Quick question here.

https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/17078/the-grand-tour

Is season two finished right now? In that case we have to adjust the season no. to 11 episodes or is there one more episode coming? I seem to be unable to find any info regarding this and few sources do state 12 and some do state 11.

Well, the show's page at Prime Video saying All episodes now available, so apparently that's it. Also, Screen Rant calling ep. 11 a Season Finale.

deleted wrote 7 years ago: 1

tnt wrote:
Well, the show's page at Prime Video saying All episodes now available, so apparently that's it. Also, Screen Rant calling ep. 11 a Season Finale.

I completely missed that. Guess I have to consider to wear glasses haha :)

markus wrote 7 years ago: 1

tnt wrote:
I'm not really sure, what do you mean by "broadcasting error", but it's not like they occasionally aired one episode instead of another. This was planned a week ago, press-release with the change of airing order was issued on Feb 24, 5 days prior to broadcast. So it's not a last minute change nor a technical mistake. So it's a first case, "network airing different order to how the producers want it."

If the network clearly and consistently assigns episode numbers, you can't just switch these because of some rule.
If the network still specifically says it's episode 3, it shouldn't matter when it aired. Anything else is just wrong.

SilverSurfer wrote 7 years ago: 1

markus wrote:
If the network clearly and consistently assigns episode numbers, you can't just switch these because of some rule.
If the network still specifically says it's episode 3, it shouldn't matter when it aired. Anything else is just wrong.

It's a problem that can/will be fixed with alternate numbering. For TVMaze to earn it's name, it has to be able to navigate the sometimes maze-like ins and outs of series numbering ... broadcast order, production order, DVD order, syndication order, producer/writer order.

Thankfully it's not a problem with most shows but ... those few it is a problem with chew through the most time 'n talk.

Personally I can see why it is important to produce a listing in broadcast order, especially before the broadcast so people know what is coming and when. However, when the broadcast is over, I see a logical order being more important. A few years ago Body of Proof bothered the crap outa me because you would see people interact for a few episodes then all of a sudden they meet for the first time ... ?!? ... WTF? Ya, I know, I have issues but for me it just spoiled the episode because all I could focus on was the stupid timeline error. I know there are other show examples but this one came to mind because there were a number of issues with the broadcast order vs the order the producers intended ... issues I think at some point TVMaze has to be able to address and handle.


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JuanArango wrote 7 years ago: 1

markus wrote:
If the network clearly and consistently assigns episode numbers, you can't just switch these because of some rule.
If the network still specifically says it's episode 3, it shouldn't matter when it aired. Anything else is just wrong.

That is my point too, who cares when an episode has aired, important is that the episode order is following the plot order chronically.

Recon wrote 7 years ago: 1

Got a whammy here.
American Chopper: https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/933/american-chopper

So Discovery has rebooted the series and have started off the new season on 11. Now the 'American Chopper' on TVMaze ended in 2010 and has a separate page for a spinoff, American Chopper: Senior vs. Junior. Disc. groups both the show together and starts the reboot starts off at 11. I see that someone has already made this on the American Chopper page skipping over a few seasons, but is this right?

What is the way to go?

tnt wrote 7 years ago: 1

Recon wrote:
Got a whammy here.
American Chopper: https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/933/american-chopper

So Discovery has rebooted the series and have started off the new season on 11. Now the 'American Chopper' on TVMaze ended in 2010 and has a separate page for a spinoff, American Chopper: Senior vs. Junior. Disc. groups both the show together and starts the reboot starts off at 11. I see that someone has already made this on the American Chopper page skipping over a few seasons, but is this right?

What is the way to go?

Thanks for the heads-up, season number changed to 7. According to our policy Rewriting history after an episode has premiered is never accepted. So the fact that Discovery was promoting and airing Senior vs. Junior as the spin-off series, and then decided to merge it with the main series should not reflect on the numbering.

Recon wrote 7 years ago: 1

Thanks for the info!

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