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tnt wrote 3 years ago: 1

@Aidan wrote:
It looks like Love Island on CBS also have weekly exclusive episodes on Paramount+.

Anyone have any thoughts on how to list this mess and want to deal with it ? :)

Add them as separate "Serial specials" show?

tnt wrote 3 years ago: 1

@MAT13 wrote:
In Millennium TV series' main cast...

https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/1302/millennium/cast

...please move Terry O'Quinn (as Peter Watts) and Brittany Tiplady (as Jordan Black) from main cast to guest cast.

Season 1 & 2 has only Lance Henriksen and Megan Gallagher as main cast in the opening intro.
Season 3 has only Lance Henriksen and Klea Scott as main cast in the opening intro.

I've checked a couple of episodes and saw that Terry O'Quinn, Brittany Tiplady, and Bill Smitrovich are listed before the guest cast block, which makes them belonging to the main cast. I don't have time right now to check all episodes, but generally, anyone who listed between the intro and before the words "Guest starring" should belong to the main cast of the show.


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MAT13 wrote 3 years ago: 1

@tnt wrote:
I've checked a couple of episodes and saw that Terry O'Quinn, Brittany Tiplady, and Bill Smitrovich are listed before the guest cast block, which makes them belonging to the main cast. I don't have time right now to check all episodes, but generally, anyone who listed between the intro and before the words "Guest starring" should belong to the main cast of the show.

What you said is true, but they are not listed in the opening intro which is same across episodes per season, and those should be the only real main cast. And as you mentioned, we have Bill Smitrovich listed under guest cast which is what I thought is correct approach.

Otherwise, if you recall our discussion of https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/218/being-human there should be a lot more main cast since various actors are listed in that opening block before the guest cast and many of them are episode-specific meaning they don't appear in many episodes.

Using completely different approach on different TV shows is not a good practice and is definitely going to be confusing to other users adding credits which will only lead to more inconsistencies and incorrect info.

tnt wrote 3 years ago: 1

@MAT13 wrote:
What you said is true, but they are not listed in the opening intro which is same across episodes per season, and those should be the only real main cast. And as you mentioned, we have Bill Smitrovich listed under guest cast which is what I thought is correct approach.

The correct approach is to list actors exactly as they are credited on-screen whenever possible.

Otherwise, if you recall our discussion of https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/218/being-human there should be a lot more main cast since various actors are listed in that opening block before the guest cast and many of them are episode-specific meaning they don't appear in many episodes.

Absolutely not the same. Being Human does not have a clear separation between main and guest cast in the on-screen credits. Therefore you could either blindly follow the on-screen credits, or gather information from other official sources. Which, I'm sure, I already told you last time.

Using completely different approach on different TV shows is not a good practice and is definitely going to be confusing to other users adding credits which will only lead to more inconsistencies and incorrect info.

Again, different shows using a different approach to credit the actors. And no matter how much you want to, you won't be able to apply the same rules to every existing show. Even if we limit the problem to the US shows only. Do you know, for example, that some Scandinavian shows credit all guest stars from the whole season (could be more than 100) in each episode, despite their appearance? Or that it is perfectly fine for the UK show to have the same actor to alternate starring and guest starring in different episodes of the same season?

Do you have an alternative source of information, which lists the main and guest cast for the Millenium? If not, follow the on-screen credits, simple as that.
For example, in episode 1x04 on-screen you'll see the actors listed in a specific order, with a header before each part of the credits:

Starring
Lance Henriksen
Megan Gallagher
Brittany Tiplady
and Bill Smitrovich

Guest Starring
Marshall Bell
John Hawkes
Chris Ellis
etc.

I don't know how they could make it more obvious.


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MAT13 wrote 3 years ago: 1

@tnt wrote:
Starring
Lance Henriksen
Megan Gallagher
Brittany Tiplady
and Bill Smitrovich

 

What you wrote here is correct. And last episode of Millennium I watched was 1x08...

https://www.tvmaze.com/episodes/110609/millennium-1x08-the-well-worn-lock

...which listed Lance and Megan in the overall TV series season opening, and then Brittany and Bill after that and before other credits like Producer, etc..

But as you can see in episode 1x08, we have Bill credited as guest cast, so I thought we are going here by cast listed in the season opening that is in every episode of the season. And we put all other names under guest cast.

You don't need to treat me like an idiot, I already feel like one because TV shows can make these things so obfuscated or mark them the same but have different thing in mind :) Like in Being Human, you actually told me I could technically go add all those as main cast because they too add "Special Guest Cast" in the opening element where they list all names, but we agreed not to go by that approach there. But here we seem to be going by that so I found it a bit confusing, more so because I thought when we have season opening credits we don't treat other names as main cast as well. Plus, having Bill Smitrovich under guest cast threw me off course as well since I assumed that is the right approach. I understand how you can find me annoying, but keep in mind you're dealing with these things for years and to me these tweaks and differences are still a bit new and not always crystal clear so I need to go through this ordeal until it all sinks in. So, sorry for the trouble, and thank you for taking the time to answer.

 

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So, you should do opposite from what I initially asked then. Meaning, Bill Smitrovich should be moved to main cast and removed from guest cast throughout season 1 episodes where he appears in. Cheers!

tnt wrote 3 years ago: 1

@MAT13 wrote:
 

What you wrote here is correct. And last episode of Millennium I watched was 1x08...

https://www.tvmaze.com/episodes/110609/millennium-1x08-the-well-worn-lock

...which listed Lance and Megan in the overall TV series season opening, and then Brittany and Bill after that and before other credits like Producer, etc..

But as you can see in episode 1x08, we have Bill credited as guest cast, so I thought we are going here by cast listed in the season opening that is in every episode of the season. And we put all other names under guest cast.

You need to get used to the fact that the edits made in 2015-2016 with high probability won't be 100% correct for a number of reasons. So if you see something edited back then, take it with a grain of salt. If it looks dubious or incorrect, it's most probably because it is incorrect.

You don't need to treat me like an idiot, I already feel like one because TV shows can make these things so obfuscated or mark them the same but have different thing in mind :)

Welcome to the club ))

but keep in mind you're dealing with these things for years and to me these tweaks and differences are still a bit new and not always crystal clear so I need to go through this ordeal until it all sinks in. 

That's why I'm sharing with you the methods to overcome different peculiarities you could meet. They might seem like a case by case approach, but that's because sometimes they are :D

 

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So, you should do opposite from what I initially asked then. Meaning, Bill Smitrovich should be moved to main cast and removed from guest cast throughout season 1 episodes where he appears in. Cheers!

Are all of his appearances correct? I mean in our listings, he did appear in episodes he listed in, and did not appear in the rest?


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MAT13 wrote 3 years ago: 1

@tnt wrote:
Are all of his appearances correct? I mean in our listings, he did appear in episodes he listed in, and did not appear in the rest?

 

I think up to episode 1x08 (I haven't watched the later ones yet, but am currently watching it) they are correct.

I don't remember seeing both Terry O'Quinn and Bill Smitrovich in every episode so far, so yes, depending on the case in question they appear or do not.

For example, Terry did not appear in episode 1x08 that I last watched. And when I compared some guest and co-acting cast credits they seem to be as in those episodes so whoever was adding them probably used a good source.

qdex wrote 3 years ago: 1

https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/909/perry-mason/episodes

I find clubbing all the television films together as part of season 9 to be a bit weird. They are considered sequels to the original series. And they started two decades after the original series ended and continued for a decade more.

I wonder if they could be moved to their own season. Or seasons, like the Joan Hickson Miss Marple television films: https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/24151/miss-marple/episodes.

 

tnt wrote 3 years ago: 1

@MAT13 wrote:
 

I think up to episode 1x08 (I haven't watched the later ones yet, but am currently watching it) they are correct.

I don't remember seeing both Terry O'Quinn and Bill Smitrovich in every episode so far, so yes, depending on the case in question they appear or do not.

For example, Terry did not appear in episode 1x08 that I last watched. And when I compared some guest and co-acting cast credits they seem to be as in those episodes so whoever was adding them probably used a good source.

If that's ok with you I'd rather wait while you watch the whole season (if you intend to), and then make the consistent changes to the whole season.
Or I could remove both their appearances from the rest of season 1 episodes and you will mark them when they appear.

Which one do you prefer?


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MAT13 wrote 3 years ago: 1

@tnt wrote:
If that's ok with you I'd rather wait while you watch the whole season (if you intend to), and then make the consistent changes to the whole season.
Or I could remove both their appearances from the rest of season 1 episodes and you will mark them when they appear.

Which one do you prefer?

Leave Terry as is. As for Bill, just move him to main cast and remove him from guest cast. Then I can mark his appearance as main cast where and when he appears.

teddyv44 wrote 3 years ago: 1

can u plz delete this Show request #33188

someone already requested this before me and is in the request list


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JuanArango wrote 3 years ago: 1

@qdex wrote:
https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/909/perry-mason/episodes

I find clubbing all the television films together as part of season 9 to be a bit weird. They are considered sequels to the original series. And they started two decades after the original series ended and continued for a decade more.

I wonder if they could be moved to their own season. Or seasons, like the Joan Hickson Miss Marple television films: https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/24151/miss-marple/episodes.

 

Could you please make a new thread about it, this needs to be discussed and in here this will get lost. :)

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