@tnt wrote:
Then I'd suggest moving those to a global channel, leaving the rest on the U.S. one.@JuanArango I suppose I answered your question? But the final decision is yours.
Problem here is that 2 of those shows aren't avalible in the UK, some of them aren't avalible in Sweden - it's different from country to country.. I'm sure some of them aren't on the Norwegian one, but are avalible in the UK or somewhere else; so what qualifies a show to be on the US or global channel? it's a mess!
It's always been my opinion that we should have one for each country if it does exclusive releases.
For a web channel that's normally global, I think it should be like this:
Exclusive (premiere) to only 1 country = Discovery+ Country
Exclusive (premiere) to 2 countries = Discovery+ Global
Not exclusive = Discovery+ Global
Just to conclude, it's from the official discovery+ FAQ from https://www.discoveryplus.com/:
Q. Will discovery+ be available outside of the U.S.?
A. The U.S. version of discovery+ is only available to subscribers in the United States including American Samoa, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Over time, we look forward to expanding the service around the world.
So officially it's the U.S. vs the rest of the world.
Well, this is pretty complicated.. these web channels just love to make our work here as hard as possible :/
I think it's easiest if we just take a practical view. While Netflix operates in many countries, there's just a single website, a single app; you can't have a login on "Netflix US" and a separate one on "Netflix UK". So we consider Netflix a single global channel.
How does this work for Discovery Plus? If there is a separate website and app for "Discovery US" (or any other country), a separate login - then we can create a separate channel. Otherwise, I propose we all consider it part of the same global channel.
@david wrote:
How does this work for Discovery Plus? If there is a separate website and app for "Discovery US" (or any other country), a separate login - then we can create a separate channel. Otherwise, I propose we all consider it part of the same global channel.
IDK about the app (do they even have it?), but websites are definitely separate for each country. You can't browse the U.S. site without the subscription and proper geo, the rest are browsable without any tricks. For example, https://www.discoveryplus.co.uk/, https://www.discoveryplus.se/, https://www.discoveryplus.no/
I'm pretty positive that credentials are country locked, but it would be nice if someone with an active subscription tried to use his account for a different country, just to be sure.
In my opinion, we need to have a regional web channel for each country that has its own original content, not available anywhere else. It's kind of weird to have the global channel, where 2/3 of the shows do not have English audio or subtitles.
@tnt wrote:
IDK about the app (do they even have it?), but websites are definitely separate for each country. You can't browse the U.S. site without the subscription and proper geo, the rest are browsable without any tricks. For example, https://www.discoveryplus.co.uk/, https://www.discoveryplus.se/, https://www.discoveryplus.no/
I'm pretty positive that credentials are country locked, but it would be nice if someone with an active subscription tried to use his account for a different country, just to be sure.
In my opinion, we need to have a regional web channel for each country that has its own original content, not available anywhere else. It's kind of weird to have the global channel, where 2/3 of the shows do not have English audio or subtitles.
I just tried it -- had to use a VPN as just trying to go to one of the international sites redirects to the US one. My US Discovery+ credentials do not log me in to any of the international ones.
@eherberg wrote:
I just tried it -- had to use a VPN as just trying to go to one of the international sites redirects to the US one. My US Discovery+ credentials do not log me in to any of the international ones.
I've registered a UK account and the credentials do not work for either Scandinavian website.
@tnt wrote:
I've registered a UK account and the credentials do not work for either Scandinavian website.
The scandinavian accounts also don't work on each other (I have a Norwegian account, can't login to Sweden or Denmark). This is also true for the apps in Norway/Sweden/Denmark.
I would say it's best to have a seperate one for the US (as it is geo locked and looks very different), but there are more that are geo locked (e.g. http://discoveryplus.in), should we have a Discovery+ India too? And if we have to many, people adding, requesting and searching for shows will be confused.
I have updated all the discovery+ originals that were on the US web channel that premiered in any other country than the US at the same time (or earlier), but I think it's best to just keep it as US/World, and if it premieres outside of the US -> Global, in the US only -> US.
Another thing I have noticed is that shows that are made and marketed in the US often premiere in Norway or the UK weeks earlier than the US (no idea why), and the episodes are often in random order as opposed to the US order (e.g. this show: https://www.discoveryplus.co.uk/show/toddlers-tiaras-where-are-they-now vs https://www.discoveryplus.no/programmer/toddlers-and-tiaras-where-are-they-now), the episode order in the UK is different than the one in Norway, but it premiered in Norway before UK and US, so should I make episode 2 the first episode even though that's incorrect?
(BTW; a great fix for this mess is to be able to make a alternate list with country premiere using global web channels, so you could have a UK country premiere on Discovery+, that way everyone would see the airdates and episode order that fits their country)
@Nivekolsen wrote:
The scandinavian accounts also don't work on each other (I have a Norwegian account, can't login to Sweden or Denmark). This is also true for the apps in Norway/Sweden/Denmark.I would say it's best to have a seperate one for the US (as it is geo locked and looks very different), but there are more that are geo locked (e.g. http://discoveryplus.in), should we have a Discovery+ India too? And if we have to many, people adding, requesting and searching for shows will be confused.
I have updated all the discovery+ originals that were on the US web channel that premiered in any other country than the US at the same time (or earlier), but I think it's best to just keep it as US/World, and if it premieres outside of the US -> Global, in the US only -> US.
Another thing I have noticed is that shows that are made and marketed in the US often premiere in Norway or the UK weeks earlier than the US (no idea why), and the episodes are often in random order as opposed to the US order (e.g. this show: https://www.discoveryplus.co.uk/show/toddlers-tiaras-where-are-they-now vs https://www.discoveryplus.no/programmer/toddlers-and-tiaras-where-are-they-now), the episode order in the UK is different than the one in Norway, but it premiered in Norway before UK and US, so should I make episode 2 the first episode even though that's incorrect?
(BTW; a great fix for this mess is to be able to make a alternate list with country premiere using global web channels, so you could have a UK country premiere on Discovery+, that way everyone would see the airdates and episode order that fits their country)
According to all the new information, we should add different discovery+ channels for all those countries.
@david wrote:
I think it's easiest if we just take a practical view. While Netflix operates in many countries, there's just a single website, a single app; you can't have a login on "Netflix US" and a separate one on "Netflix UK". So we consider Netflix a single global channel.
They do have regions on that single website though.
If I try to access another country's Netflix, I'll be redirect back to Netflix UK (https://netflix.com/gb).
Canada also has its own Netflix website, can't login to the US one.
I would expect this is true of Disney+ and any other "global" site. All fo them are going to geoblock content regardless of whether or not it is under one name or not. The problem is does original content get released everywhere at the same time? It sounds like the answer to that is ... sometimes.
I think this is going to need more thought than just create alternate lists for every country. That could turn into a cumbersome mess quickly, especially if the current backend isn't set up for more than one or two alt lists. It's also something that might end up being more and more common as we go forward.
Traditional distribution models are breaking down, for better or worse, and the reality is we're probably going to need more than one system to track everything. One way for traditional shows (because we want the legacy information as well) and something that will work with not only all the different streaming options but all the different ways those options decide to distribute their original content worldwide.
@LadyShelley wrote:
I would expect this is true of Disney+ and any other "global" site. All fo them are going to geoblock content regardless of whether or not it is under one name or not. The problem is does original content get released everywhere at the same time? It sounds like the answer to that is ... sometimes.I think this is going to need more thought than just create alternate lists for every country. That could turn into a cumbersome mess quickly, especially if the current backend isn't set up for more than one or two alt lists. It's also something that might end up being more and more common as we go forward.
Traditional distribution models are breaking down, for better or worse, and the reality is we're probably going to need more than one system to track everything. One way for traditional shows (because we want the legacy information as well) and something that will work with not only all the different streaming options but all the different ways those options decide to distribute their original content worldwide.
some good thoughts here, I guess we need @david to think this through and make a decision :)
@LadyShelley wrote:
I would expect this is true of Disney+ and any other "global" site. All fo them are going to geoblock content regardless of whether or not it is under one name or not. The problem is does original content get released everywhere at the same time? It sounds like the answer to that is ... sometimes.
That's sort of what I'm wondering. I've noticed some shows that I would personally think should be listed as the US Disc+ (spinoffs of HGTV shows, or involving US personalities) have been changed to global, but how do we know if those are available globally or if people are just changing it because they think it's the wrong service?
@kevin87 wrote:
That's sort of what I'm wondering. I've noticed some shows that I would personally think should be listed as the US Disc+ (spinoffs of HGTV shows, or involving US personalities) have been changed to global, but how do we know if those are available globally or if people are just changing it because they think it's the wrong service?
I've changed the web channel to global if it premieres in more than one country at once; if it only premieres in the US I leave it as discovery+ US. Some shows from America with US tv personalities premiere at the same time or earlier in the UK (or elsewhere), therefore I've changed them to the global web channel.
e.g. this one: https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/53140/fixer-upper-welcome-home - American TV show, but it premieres in the UK as well.
@Nivekolsen wrote:
I've changed the web channel to global if it premieres in more than one country at once; if it only premieres in the US I leave it as discovery+ US. Some shows from America with US tv personalities premiere at the same time or earlier in the UK (or elsewhere), therefore I've changed them to the global web channel.e.g. this one: https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/53140/fixer-upper-welcome-home - American TV show, but it premieres in the UK as well.
So they premiere the same date just earlier for the UK time zone? This is going to get kind of convoluted though, I'm sure people will ultimately change them back and forth because we can't check other countries and it'll just seem like somebody used the wrong Discovery+ on accident since the global one shows up first in the list.
@kevin87 wrote:
So they premiere the same date just earlier for the UK time zone? This is going to get kind of convoluted though, I'm sure people will ultimately change them back and forth because we can't check other countries and it'll just seem like somebody used the wrong Discovery+ on accident since the global one shows up first in the list.
I think you can access other countries' discovery+, no? I can access discovery+ in every country other than India & the US without any VPN. I agree this method sucks, but until we have another solution for discovery+, I think this is the best way to do it.
And when I said some shows premiere earlier in other countries; I didn't mean earlier in the day/time zones, but days if not weeks earlier - I have no idea why. The show toddlers and tiaras (https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/53061/toddlers-tiaras-where-are-they-now) premiered in Scandinavia before the US - which makes no sense; discovery+ seem to just premiere stuff whenever and whereever they want.
@Nivekolsen wrote:
I think you can access other countries' discovery+, no? I can access discovery+ in every country other than India & the US without any VPN. I agree this method sucks, but until we have another solution for discovery+, I think this is the best way to do it.And when I said some shows premiere earlier in other countries; I didn't mean earlier in the day/time zones, but days if not weeks earlier - I have no idea why. The show toddlers and tiaras (https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/53061/toddlers-tiaras-where-are-they-now) premiered in Scandinavia before the US - which makes no sense; discovery+ seem to just premiere stuff whenever and whereever they want.
Going to Discovery+ UK's website just redirected me to the US version to sign in. So if we set it to global, shouldn't we be using those premiere dates? Or does Fixer Upper: Welcome Home premiere those same days?
@kevin87 wrote:
Going to Discovery+ UK's website just redirected me to the US version to sign in. So if we set it to global, shouldn't we be using those premiere dates? Or does Fixer Upper: Welcome Home premiere those same days?
Fixer upper premieres at the same time in the US and other countries - so the airdates are correct :)
