momijigari wrote:
Shows that are cancelled after the pilot are not deleted from TVmaze.
that is correct, as the intention of a series was there, we only delete pilots that are not made, that do not surpass pre production :)
Do me a favor. Can you put in the TV Movie Specials for Dallas 1978-1991, J.R. Returns 1996 and The War of the Ewings 1998 on CBS? It's like a TV Movie reunion.
JuanArango wrote:
that is correct, as the intention of a series was there, we only delete pilots that are not made, that do not surpass pre production :)
Ah, ok, i've remembered about "two or more episodes", but forget about "cancelled after pilot" rule. I was frustrated, that they've killed such a nice show, Flea was very funny in the pilot :)
ChrisAmon wrote:
Do me a favor. Can you put in the TV Movie Specials for Dallas 1978-1991, J.R. Returns 1996 and The War of the Ewings 1998 on CBS? It's like a TV Movie reunion.
They are already listed.
And if they weren't, you could have added them yourself.
Are you totally sure about specials to season 2 of http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/6762/outsiders ?
http://www.tvmaze.com/episodes/1033917/teen-wolf-6x09-memory-found/cast
Somebody's adding things before they've actually seen the episode it seems, probably because IMDB lists them as well, plus J.R. Bourne and Melissa Ponzio would be main cast anyway... but only Cody Christian, Marti Matulis, Kevin Ogilvie, and Alexander Ward are credited and actually appear in the episode.
http://www.tvmaze.com/episodes/1033917/teen-wolf-6x09-memory-found/castappearances
Dylan O'Brien does appear, but it's all from flashbacks from episodes throughout the series. The same happened with Shelby Steel, she isn't credited but she appears when a character is remembering something from a past episode. Should Dylan O'Brien be listed as cast appearance even if it's archived footage, and should Shelby Steel be added to guest cast as uncredited if it's just archived footage as well?
kevin87 wrote:
http://www.tvmaze.com/episodes/1033917/teen-wolf-6x09-memory-found/cast
Somebody's adding things before they've actually seen the episode it seems, probably because IMDB lists them as well, plus J.R. Bourne and Melissa Ponzio would be main cast anyway... but only Cody Christian, Marti Matulis, Kevin Ogilvie, and Alexander Ward are credited and actually appear in the episode.
http://www.tvmaze.com/episodes/1033917/teen-wolf-6x09-memory-found/castappearances
Dylan O'Brien does appear, but it's all from flashbacks from episodes throughout the series. The same happened with Shelby Steel, she isn't credited but she appears when a character is remembering something from a past episode. Should Dylan O'Brien be listed as cast appearance even if it's archived footage, and should Shelby Steel be added to guest cast as uncredited if it's just archived footage as well?
Fixed :)
Jack96 wrote:
Are you totally sure about specials to season 2 of http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/6762/outsiders ?
I do not watch the show, so I cannot say if those aired in the US.
JuanArango wrote:
I do not watch the show, so I cannot say if those aired in the US.
From the description it looks like they're those "specials" AKA sneak peaks that we discussed recently. At least one of them.
http://www.tvmaze.com/episodes/1033917/teen-wolf-6x09-memory-found/castappearances
Dylan O'Brien does appear, but it's all from flashbacks from episodes throughout the series. The same happened with Shelby Steel, she isn't credited but she appears when a character is remembering something from a past episode. Should Dylan O'Brien be listed as cast appearance even if it's archived footage, and should Shelby Steel be added to guest cast as uncredited if it's just archived footage as well?
I don't believe that TVmaze credit actors for archive footage from the episodes that they originally appeared in. Are they credited onscreen as guest stars?
At least, there are a number of clip-show episodes at TVRage that currently don't have them listed as such, as Uncredited or otherwise.
Such a policy would also make some person pages absurdly large. If you listed every time that Barack Obama appeared in archive footage on a news show, for instance...
tnt wrote:
From the description it looks like they're those "specials" AKA sneak peaks that we discussed recently. At least one of them.
Allright, they are deleted :)
Gadfly wrote:
I don't believe that TVmaze credit actors for archive footage from the episodes that they originally appeared in. Are they credited onscreen as guest stars?
At least, there are a number of clip-show episodes at TVRage that currently don't have them listed as such, as Uncredited or otherwise.
Such a policy would also make some person pages absurdly large. If you listed every time that Barack Obama appeared in archive footage on a news show, for instance...
Sometimes for the flashbacks or other kinds of "dream sequences" outtakes can be used, or even some additional footage can be filmed especially for this sequences. So it's not just a clip-show, but with additional scenes (different POV for example, or additional close-up shots etc). So, if actor is credited in episode, but appears only in flashbacks, it can be worth checking, is it really just archive footage, or there's some authentic shots.
Gadfly wrote:
I don't believe that TVmaze credit actors for archive footage from the episodes that they originally appeared in. Are they credited onscreen as guest stars?
If a show credits them as stars/guest stars shouldn't TVMaze (or any similar such sites) honour that follow suit? Just because there are flashbacks doesn't necessarily mean it's a clip show ... just my 2.5 cents (exchange rate adjusted)
SilverSurfer wrote:
If a show credits them as stars/guest stars shouldn't TVMaze (or any similar such sites) honour that follow suit? Just because there are flashbacks doesn't necessarily mean it's a clip show ... just my 2.5 cents (exchange rate adjusted)
There's a lot of cases, when opening credits are the same for the whole season, despite of the actor appearances (TWD for example).
SilverSurfer wrote:
If a show credits them as stars/guest stars shouldn't TVMaze (or any similar such sites) honour that follow suit? Just because there are flashbacks doesn't necessarily mean it's a clip show ... just my 2.5 cents (exchange rate adjusted)
tnt is correct, show stars are often credited, even if they dont appear in the episodes and we only list the ones that appeared.
With guest stars this is a bit different, from what I know, guest stars are only credited if they appear.
JuanArango wrote:
tnt is correct, show stars are often credited, even if they dont appear in the episodes and we only list the ones that appeared.
With guest stars this is a bit different, from what I know, guest stars are only credited if they appear.
That's the case with Teen Wolf too, the main cast always appear in the opening credits but not always in the actual episode. Without being too spoilery, there's something going on that has made everybody forget Stiles so in this episode they were trying to remember by somehow finding their memories which was footage from previous episodes. Dylan O'Brien took time off because of his accident, so it wasn't anything new and he's only been on 2 out of 9 episodes so far this season.
http://www.tvmaze.com/images/235099/the-hike-image-235099
this image is from an earlier episode
SilverSurfer wrote:
If a show credits them as stars/guest stars shouldn't TVMaze (or any similar such sites) honour that follow suit? Just because there are flashbacks doesn't necessarily mean it's a clip show ... just my 2.5 cents (exchange rate adjusted)
Let me adjust my comment then to include "... show credits them as stars/guest stars, and they actually appear either in new or previously seen footage, shouldn't ..."
SilverSurfer wrote:
If a show credits them as stars/guest stars shouldn't TVMaze (or any similar such sites) honour that follow suit? Just because there are flashbacks doesn't necessarily mean it's a clip show ... just my 2.5 cents (exchange rate adjusted)
I didn't address flashbacks, which is theoretically a whole other can of worms. Kevin87 mentioned flashbacks, but then went on to say "archived footage" a couple of times.
Archive footage in American clip shows typically don't credit the actors in the footage. It depends on your definition of "flashback". The Arrow "five years later" flashbacks, for instance, are entirely new and not archive footage. Heck, some of the actors on the show only appear in archive footage.
But the Star Trek/Next Gen episode, "Shades of Gray", doesn't credit any of the actors who appeared in the archive footage when we get flashbacks or memory replays or whatever it is. When the Doctor is dying at the end of "Logopolis" on Doctor Who, all the companions that he sees are archive footage aren't credited.
If actors are credited on-screen in a scripted show, they should be credited at TVMaze. If not, they shouldn't. If that's followed, then it doesn't matter what you want to call the scenes that they're in: Archive footage or flashbacks or whatever. If we're talking "reality" shows (including news shows), I'd say there's a difference between Obama showing up as a talking walking guest on a show, and them running a clip of him giving a speech. But you don't typically have flashbacks in a real-life show, either.
Kevin87 also asked about using Uncredited. But without a way to add a qualifier, I'd say not to do it. If nothing else, you get some weird-looking anomalies if, for instance, an actor who died in 2010 gets an Uncredited appearance in a show in 2017 because the producers used archive footage of him. from pre-2010.
You wouldn't want to put the qualifier in the character name, because that would create a new character. "Bill Smith" vs. "Bill Smith (archive footage)". It's the kind of thing you might put in episode note/trivia, but TVMaze doesn't have that
But whether they're dead or alive, if they're credited I'd say credit them. Wasn't that the case when Robert Zemeckis "digitalized" Humphrey Bogart into an episode of Tales From the Crypt? I believe Bogart got a guest credit. So... credit him at TVMaze.