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eherberg wrote 9 years ago: 1

JuanArango wrote:
Corrected :)

Regarding 'Austin City Limits': I brought up this question regarding the series Motorweek - but it got pushed off the page due to a lot of posts and got lost in the shuffle. (FYI: Motorweek still has the incorrect network listed as Velocity although it is aired on PBS stations before it goes to Velocity).

The question is about episode times for PBS shows. I still don't think people have a good grasp on how PBS gives shows to member stations. Just like Motorweek (and a majority of PBS shows) - stations have full control on when they air PBS programming. This is also true for Austin City Limits. This week's Iggy Pop episode, for example, is made available to stations starting today. In Austin, it is aired at 7:00 PM central. In my market, 8:00 PM central. The closest thing to a flagship PBS has in New York airs it at midnight eastern. Minneapolis airs it at midnight central. The national feed for satellite airs it at 11:00 PM eastern. (Although PBS states that the national feed is intentionally aired after local stations get programs so as to encourage local station viewing). In 10 minutes, I can give you 10 different premier air times for Austin City Limits this week- as can be done with many PBS programs.

The question then is how do you determine what a correct airtime is? Although I have no doubt that the 3 episodes that were changed had their air times changed in the reporter's market - that is certainly not the case in other markets. So how to decide what is a 'correct' airtime? Go with when the majority of stations show it? When the pseudo-flagship airs it? When the submitter's local market airs it? Just wondering as this change (along with a couple others I've seen with PBS) get changed, but I'm not sure people familiar with PBS member stations relationships with the networks understand or have checked for confirming evidence. And if so - what would be a valuable source? TV listing sites certainly can't be used - especially in cases like this for PBS.

SilverSurfer wrote 9 years ago: 1

eherberg wrote:

The question then is how do you determine what a correct airtime is? Although I have no doubt that the 3 episodes that were changed had their air times changed in the reporter's market - that is certainly not the case in other markets. So how to decide what is a 'correct' airtime? Go with when the majority of stations show it? When the pseudo-flagship airs it? When the submitter's local market airs it?

Just my 2 cents but I say pick a station as "the" station and use that for all PBS shows. Right or wrong, I've always thought of PBS WGBH Boston as the mother-ship station ... ymmv

JAGUARDOG wrote 9 years ago: 1

Someone just added the 2 new people listed below to this show "Family Double Dare" both as an Assistant however they are not cast members but in fact were Crew members and their correct titles are Production Assistant. Please remove these two people from the cast of this show - http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/22450/family-double-dare/cast

Jamie Bojanowski

Chris Miles

proof here - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094459/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

Also this is what it states at Wikipedia:

Several stage assistants appeared on-camera and assisted in setting up physical challenges and/or obstacles, including Robin Marella (1986–93), Dave Shikiar (1986–89), Jamie Bojanowski (1990–92), and Chris Miles (1992–93). Greg Lee, who later went on to host Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego?, was a contestant coordinator from 1986–90.

Just because they appeared on-camera does not mean they were Regular Cast.

Thank you very much, Ron.

eherberg wrote 9 years ago: 1

SilverSurfer wrote:
Just my 2 cents but I say pick a station as "the" station and use that for all PBS shows. Right or wrong, I've always thought of PBS WGBH Boston as the mother-ship station ... ymmv

Yeah - it's tough to pick. WGBH, for example, won't show it until midnight Nov 1st - while WSBE in Boston is showing it at 11:00 eastern. It's why it's hard to pick a flagship for PBS. WNET, for example, is the closest you could make for an argument - but even it isn't one really. The only reason it is somewhat close is that it was the official primary of National Educational Television, but it really gets it's episodes and has the same freedom as any other PBS station.

The only thing I can think of that would be close would be to either leave the time blank (which may not be acceptable) - or simply use when 'most' stations show it. Simply using one station can't be relied on with PBS as evidenced by the example above with WGBH.

In the long run - it may not matter to most. After an episode airs, the only real value its entry has in the database is for look-ups to match media database storage (Plex, Kodi, etc). After an episode airs - it probably doesn't really matter in usage as to what the episode time was. But prior to the episode airing - the entry of a time only has value if your market's airing happens to match the submitter's. And the concept of a 'right' and 'wrong' air time has less meaning for PBS shows like this.

JAGUARDOG wrote 9 years ago: 1

These shows have locked summaries but need to be corrected please?

Bob's Burgers – (Title- Remove italics and remove quotation marks)

Cooks vs. Cons – (Title- Remove italics and remove quotation marks)

Guy's Grocery Games – (Title- Remove italics and remove quotation marks)

Justice with Judge Jeanine – (Title- Remove italics and remove quotation marks)

Signed, Sealed, Delivered – (Title- Remove italics and remove quotation marks)

The 7D – (Title – Remove italics and BOLD title)

Thank you very much, Ron.


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MTQueenie wrote 9 years ago: 1

JAGUARDOG wrote:
These shows have locked summaries but need to be corrected please?
Bob's Burgers – (Title- Remove italics and remove quotation marks)
Cooks vs. Cons – (Title- Remove italics and remove quotation marks)
Guy's Grocery Games – (Title- Remove italics and remove quotation marks)
Justice with Judge Jeanine – (Title- Remove italics and remove quotation marks)
Signed, Sealed, Delivered – (Title- Remove italics and remove quotation marks)
The 7D – (Title – Remove italics and BOLD title)
Thank you very much, Ron.

Done except for Bob's Burgers, that one a HC has to fix


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JuanArango wrote 9 years ago: 1

MTQueenie wrote:
Done except for Bob's Burgers, that one a HC has to fix

It is done :)


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JuanArango wrote 9 years ago: 1

eherberg wrote:
Yeah - it's tough to pick. WGBH, for example, won't show it until midnight Nov 1st - while WSBE in Boston is showing it at 11:00 eastern. It's why it's hard to pick a flagship for PBS. WNET, for example, is the closest you could make for an argument - but even it isn't one really. The only reason it is somewhat close is that it was the official primary of National Educational Television, but it really gets it's episodes and has the same freedom as any other PBS station.
The only thing I can think of that would be close would be to either leave the time blank (which may not be acceptable) - or simply use when 'most' stations show it. Simply using one station can't be relied on with PBS as evidenced by the example above with WGBH.
In the long run - it may not matter to most. After an episode airs, the only real value its entry has in the database is for look-ups to match media database storage (Plex, Kodi, etc). After an episode airs - it probably doesn't really matter in usage as to what the episode time was. But prior to the episode airing - the entry of a time only has value if your market's airing happens to match the submitter's. And the concept of a 'right' and 'wrong' air time has less meaning for PBS shows like this.

I know too little about that whole PBS stuff to make a decision on this, anyone else from staff knows how to handle this ?


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JuanArango wrote 9 years ago: 1

JAGUARDOG wrote:
Someone just added the 2 new people listed below to this show "Family Double Dare" both as an Assistant however they are not cast members but in fact were Crew members and their correct titles are Production Assistant. Please remove these two people from the cast of this show - http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/22450/family-double-dare/cast
Jamie Bojanowski
Chris Miles
proof here - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094459/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast
Also this is what it states at Wikipedia:
Several stage assistants appeared on-camera and assisted in setting up physical challenges and/or obstacles, including Robin Marella (1986–93), Dave Shikiar (1986–89), Jamie Bojanowski (1990–92), and Chris Miles (1992–93). Greg Lee, who later went on to host Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego?, was a contestant coordinator from 1986–90.
Just because they appeared on-camera does not mean they were Regular Cast.
Thank you very much, Ron.

Done :)


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LadyShelley wrote 9 years ago: 1

JuanArango wrote:
I know too little about that whole PBS stuff to make a decision on this, anyone else from staff knows how to handle this ?

Probably the best solution is use the date and time when the broadcasts are sent to the affiliates, not sure how well known that is though. The other option would be to set the date time to midnight on the earliest date the content is available.

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