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Thomas wrote:
I remember that Discovery did change their site's lay-out a year ago and shifted some of their season numbering too like they did with some of their series... As Travel Channel is part of their group, it may have happened over there too..... though it is highly unlikely ! :p

It literally happened from the time I made the initial post to now. Yesterday the Travel Channel website went through a re-design (with a new network logo) and some episodes shuffled around. It's not the first time episodes are retroactively changed. It may change back again, as Gracenote still has a season16. It's stuff like this why Discovery/Scripps sites themselves are no longer an acceptable source at TVDB.

Aside from trying to match up episodes that the website may likely re-order to something different next month - I would argue these are certainly not a different stand-alone series. As my wife religiously watches this stupid show, it falls on my shoulders to know when new episodes are aired. (Ex: When I posted regarding the 'new' Monday night episodes as reported by the website and listings not really being new episodes). These episodes have no special titling on the episodes or anything in the credits to indicate anything other than another episode entry. Having viewed it - nothing in the episode could be pointed to as being a separate series. I guess I don't have a preference whether it's a special or a regular episode (and the Travel Channel site may change it to either tomorrow, next week, or next month) - but from a person familiar with the program, it doesn't have even the overly-broad reasoning Maze often uses to shuffle off episodes to 'new' series.

eherberg wrote:

These episodes have no special titling on the episodes or anything in the credits to indicate anything other than another episode entry. Having viewed it - nothing in the episode could be pointed to as being a separate series. I guess I don't have a preference whether

See https://www.tvmaze.com/images/423122/astoria-underground-image-423122 ... screen cap from copy I have ...

eherberg wrote:
It literally happened from the time I made the initial post to now. Yesterday the Travel Channel website went through a re-design (with a new network logo) and some episodes shuffled around. It's not the first time episodes are retroactively changed. It may change back again, as Gracenote still has a season16. It's stuff like this why Discovery/Scripps sites themselves are no longer an acceptable source at TVDB.

Aside from trying to match up episodes that the website may likely re-order to something different next month - I would argue these are certainly not a different stand-alone series. As my wife religiously watches this stupid show, it falls on my shoulders to know when new episodes are aired. (Ex: When I posted regarding the 'new' Monday night episodes as reported by the website and listings not really being new episodes). These episodes have no special titling on the episodes or anything in the credits to indicate anything other than another episode entry. Having viewed it - nothing in the episode could be pointed to as being a separate series. I guess I don't have a preference whether it's a special or a regular episode (and the Travel Channel site may change it to either tomorrow, next week, or next month) - but from a person familiar with the program, it doesn't have even the overly-broad reasoning Maze often uses to shuffle off episodes to 'new' series.

Well, the reasoning is simple: how would it fit with the policy? There's some clear statement on when the episode considered a special, and when the episodes should be listed as a separate series. I'm not a fan of multiplying those microscopic 3-4 episode "spin-offs" or whatever, but one thing is clear – if the episode being called a special in a numerous press releases, an besides that it being aired not on regular day – it is a special episode.

Considering season numbering – we all know about Scripps / Discovery shenanigans. So I was just asking :)

From the press release https://corporate.discovery.com/discovery-newsroom/ghost-adventures-locks-down-travel-channels-ghostober-event-with-four-part-miniseries-and-a-special-halloween-night-live-investigation/ ...

The goosebumps begin Saturday, October 6 at 9 p.m. ET/PT with a four-part, four-week long “Ghost Adventures” miniseries that takes the paranormal investigative team – Zak Bagans, Aaron Goodwin, Billy Tolley and Jay Wasley – to the “Graveyard of the Pacific,” a treacherous nautical region in the Pacific Northwest.

... miniseries ...

I also am not a fan of putting these up as a new, stand alone series, especially when the network calls them one thing (miniseries) and then, like in this case, shows them on their site as specials.

Again, agnostic on the eventual call but there is evidence, IMHO, to treat them as specials or as a new series. ymmv

EDIT ::

Even the site listing is messed up vis a vis numbering verses descriptions ...

Specials, Episode 58 :: ... conclude their investigation ...

Specials, Episode 59 :: ... continue their investigation ...

Specials, Episode 60 :: ... begin their investigation ...

Specials, Episode 61 :: ... continue their investigation ...

https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/31763/vampirina/episodes

Episode 25 and later need to be deleted. These are added as individual episodes even though they air in as 2 15-minute segments per 30-minute episode (except for Home Scream home, it was a full 30-minute episode) and are listed as name / name on the Disney Jr press site and the Disney Jr page on Disney Now. There have been some instances where a show will only air one segment one week and then the 2nd the next, which then would cause it to be separate episodes, but I've only seen that happen with Puppy Dog Pals.

kevin87 wrote:
https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/31763/vampirina/episodes

Episode 25 and later need to be deleted. These are added as individual episodes even though they air in as 2 15-minute segments per 30-minute episode (except for Home Scream home, it was a full 30-minute episode) and are listed as name / name on the Disney Jr press site and the Disney Jr page on Disney Now. There have been some instances where a show will only air one segment one week and then the 2nd the next, which then would cause it to be separate episodes, but I've only seen that happen with Puppy Dog Pals.

done :)

"9-1-1".

s02e04 it's s02e05.

Change, please.

Nikquest wrote:
"9-1-1".

s02e04 it's s02e05.

Change, please.

Indeed.

SilverSurfer wrote:
From the press release https://corporate.discovery.com/discovery-newsroom/ghost-adventures-locks-down-travel-channels-ghostober-event-with-four-part-miniseries-and-a-special-halloween-night-live-investigation/ ...

... miniseries ...

I also am not a fan of putting these up as a new, stand alone series, especially when the network calls them one thing (miniseries) and then, like in this case, shows them on their site as specials.

Again, agnostic on the eventual call but there is evidence, IMHO, to treat them as specials or as a new series. ymmv

EDIT ::

Even the site listing is messed up vis a vis numbering verses descriptions ...

Specials, Episode 58 :: ... conclude their investigation ...

Specials, Episode 59 :: ... continue their investigation ...

Specials, Episode 60 :: ... begin their investigation ...

Specials, Episode 61 :: ... continue their investigation ...

Good Lord ...

Now we've got double episodes up for Ghost Adventures with the original new episodes still existing plus new season 17 episodes entered that are identical to the existing season 16 entries. I assume it was done because somebody also did it over at TVDB. (I'm on my way over there to start that cleanup ... after entering in my wife's daily chat show entries in that database). :-)

In addition - one of the repackaged 'double-episodes' that Trvl was passing off as a 'new' episode has also been entered. S16E14 has been entered - but this was simply existing episodes (as numbered here) S12E08 and S12E10. It was determined back in September that these repackaged double-episodes presented as one 'new' episode were not new. (Note that TVDB allows those repackaged episodes to be entered as specials - which is probably why it was entered here as an entry for it was made over there).

We will need to do some deletion and cleanup. As bad as the TRVL website is for numbering - I would still vote for special episode designation. It's the one thing all listings services agree on. Gracenote has it as a season 16 special, TRVL has it as a special. Having seen the title sequence of the 1st episode - I wouldn't vote for separate show designation of the episodes. I could make a better case for leaving it as a regular episode based on on-screen titles rather than a separate series.

Should be fixed now :)

God -- I hate having to know when my wife's shows are on. Even worse - they are usually on Discovery/Scripps. :-(

The latest is the return of 'The Little Couple'. Initially the 3 episodes that were held up by litigation from last December were set to finally air -- and after checking TLC's site, they had them as continuations in season numbering of the episodes that were airing last year (which actually made sense - since they were filmed last year with the other episodes). So - after posting, the 3 episodes were placed in their respective spots of TVMaze season 10 as episodes 11, 12, and 13 in the airdates as TLC's website had them ... last week.

But now it's a new week. I was looking at the copy of the program from last night and preparing it for Plex entry when I noticed it was a double-episode. Looking at TLC's website - they now have 2 distinct episodes listed as airing last night: TVMaze's S10E11 and S10E12. Of course, this wasn't the case last week. They have Maze-numbered S10E13 as airing next week (so the airdate is correct).

Ah -- but it gets better. If you look at the show page - from the last time I checked to now, they've decided that the new aired episodes are really part of a new season. Unless, of course, you look at the TLC schedule page where the exact same episodes still have their numbering that places them in the previous season.

Oh -- and one final note: Even though the website shows the episodes last night as 2 distinct episodes, the actual aired episode had only one set of titles/credits - with no discernible break between the two. Even better - next week when they show the repeat before the next new episode, it will be only the 2nd episode from last night's double-episode ... so it will exist next week as a standalone episode.

Did I mention how much I hate having to know this stuff for my wife's shows? First the Ghost Adventures stuff ... now this. I can't wait to see what awaits me when her other awful show '7 Little Johnstons' comes back at the end of the month ...

So -- what to do with the existing entries? I get season numbering is not the same - but like most Scripps/Discovery stuff, I'm not even sure I would look at that anymore. It was probably matched at one time - but the season numbers have likely changed half-a-dozen times over since then. The question is what to do with the new episodes: Leave them as-is to match the numbering in the schedule listing? Change them to a new season like the show page has it? And what to do with the double-episode? Put them both in a single entry as it aired? Leave them separate like the show site has them (but both airing last night)? Leave them separate as the 2nd half of the double-episode airs stand-alone next week (with an airdate of next week)? I've got this for the most part squared away over at the 'other' database - but I know rules are a bit different here sometimes and wanted to check.

Update to the above: The stream-able episodes do have distinct titles (as well as 'previously on', and such). So - I'm inclined to leave them as separate episodes (for future sanity) as that is the way they are available on the site as well as in rebroadcasts

eherberg wrote:
Update to the above: The stream-able episodes do have distinct titles (as well as 'previously on', and such). So - I'm inclined to leave them as separate episodes (for future sanity) as that is the way they are available on the site as well as in rebroadcasts

You got my full trust in this as I do not have a clue about those shows :)

JuanArango wrote:
You got my full trust in this as I do not have a clue about those shows :)

We need to change it to the year-based numbering and forget this season jumping BS.

JuanArango wrote:
You got my full trust in this as I do not have a clue about those shows :)

My take would be to treat them as episodes in a new season. In looking at how Gracenote is reporting it, they are counting it as a new season for listings purposes. Rovi/TiVo interestingly has the 2 episodes that aired last night as new episodes in a new season -- but the 3rd episode next week is still listed in it's old spot as belonging to the previous season. :-) I assume at some point that will also change to match how Gracenote is listing them. Futon changed production numbering from how they had it when these episodes were originally scheduled last December to a new season as well. The schedule numbering is now the only anomaly as it was left unchanged when last week the episodes pulled from last December once litigation was complete got changed to the 'new' season designation.

eherberg wrote:
My take would be to treat them as episodes in a new season. In looking at how Gracenote is reporting it, they are counting it as a new season for listings purposes. Rovi/TiVo interestingly has the 2 episodes that aired last night as new episodes in a new season -- but the 3rd episode next week is still listed in it's old spot as belonging to the previous season. :-) I assume at some point that will also change to match how Gracenote is listing them. Futon changed production numbering from how they had it when these episodes were originally scheduled last December to a new season as well. The schedule numbering is now the only anomaly as it was left unchanged when last week the episodes pulled from last December once litigation was complete got changed to the 'new' season designation.

This sounds like one of those shows we might have to put to years instead of seasons.

I'm not sure it needs to be that drastic. The only thing that got messed up are the episodes that were supposed to air last December -- then litigation went down -- and now they are finally airing with the TLC site initially putting them with the episodes it *would* have aired with last year as opposed to what they are airing as now. If at least part of the site has them as a new season and Gracenote and Rovi agree, it seems to convince me it should probably go that route. Plus - there's only 6 episodes in this run anyway. :-)

Created a network when I meant to create a web channel ... pls delete https://www.tvmaze.com/networks/1631/vudu TiA.

Please add the imdb id to the following:

- tt7414406 to All American

Thanks in advance.

vBm wrote:
Please add the imdb id to the following:

- tt7414406 to All American

Thanks in advance.

All done